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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS</type>
	<startdate>1997-06-09</startdate>
	<location>EAST LONDON</location>
	<day>1</day>
	<names>MRS NOKUZOLA THELMA KOLOTI</names>
	<case>EC787/97 ELN</case>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Nokuzola KOLOTI?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS NOKUZOLA THELMA KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Tiny Maya.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you Mr Chairperson.  Mrs Koloti I greet you.  How do you pronounce your surname?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>Koloti.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>He was my son.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>According to the statement we have before us you apparently got a report in 1991 that Tamsanqa who was seventeen years at the time was not well in Tanzania.  What happened, how did he get to Tanzania and what was he ill from?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>I got a report that he was not well in December 1989.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, you may continue.</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you Mrs Koloti your story is absolutely clear.  I will hand you over to the Chairperson but perhaps my colleagues will ask you further questions.</text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>Thank you Mr Chairperson.  Mrs Koloti who is Leo Mc Donald?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>Leo Mc Donald is a boy who was staying next to me.  He was my neighbour.  When I went to Tanzania he was there, he was one of the soldiers of the ANC but now he is working in Pretoria.</text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>Where is he working?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>Who then is Siyabulela Phezisa?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>Siyabulela Phezisa was with my son at school and in Tanzania.  I think he is working in Bisho because when he came to visit me and we were talking about this he said to me when Tamsanqa was ill in Tanzania we were together.  He said to me he was the one who was supposed to come back with him but during that period he was sent to another country to attend a certain course.  He said he was surprised to hear that Tamsanqa died in Tanzania because he was supposed to be returned back.</text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>Is Siyabulela Phezisa contactable?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>I note that there are requests you mentioned when you gave your statement.  Firstly it is clear that you want full disclosure of the cause of his death, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>Yes, that is correct.</text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>In your statement you mentioned a request that you would like medical treatment.  Are there any reasons why  you request medical attention?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>Is there any other request?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>Thank you Mrs Koloti, thank you Mr Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Before we let you go I have one question, when you got to Tanzania you were told that they were sending messages to you that your son was sick and they waited two weeks for you to come to attend his funeral and a Mr Stofili was given a message to send to you.</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>Yes, Mr Stofili got there while he was in hospital.</text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>What I would like to know is who was telling you these things?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>They were people who were in Dakaula Guest House?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Were these people members of the ANC?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Did you know their names before or do you have any idea who they were?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS KOLOTI</speaker>
			<text>I will ask those young man who were there.</text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you  for your story Mrs Koloti and we will thank all of you afterwards.  You may go back to your seat.</text>
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