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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS</type>
	<startdate>1997-06-09</startdate>
	<location>EAST LONDON</location>
	<day>1</day>
	<names>MR ALFRED MTELE</names>
							<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55236&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>We now call Alfred Mtele.</text>
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		<line number="2">
			<speaker>MR ALFRED MTELE</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="3">
			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Tiny Maya?</text>
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		<line number="4">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="5">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Yes that is correct but let me correct the year.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>What year was it?</text>
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		<line number="7">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>It was in 1990.</text>
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		<line number="8">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Please tell us briefly what happened to you.</text>
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		<line number="9">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>When I got home at about eleven after a UDF meeting the window was opened and I told my wife to close the window and we went to bed.  It was very hot that day and we slept on top of the blankets.  At about one in the morning we woke up and the house was in flames.  I tried to wake her, there were flames and smoke all over the house.  We tried to open the kitchen door but it could not open which made it clear that the door was locked from the outside so that we could not open it and all the windows were burglar proofed.   We spent about thirty minutes inside the house and our neighbours tried to break down the  door so that we could get out, we were then taken to the Cecilia Makiwane Hospital.</text>
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		<line number="10">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Were you also burnt or was the house only burnt down?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Our bedroom was burnt down as well as ourselves.</text>
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		<line number="12">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>You were injured and then you were taken to hospital?</text>
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		<line number="13">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Yes we were injured and taken to hospital.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>How were you injured and for how long did you stay in hospital?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>I stayed in hospital for three weeks and my wife for six weeks, she was the one who was badly injured because I woke up and she woke up after me.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Please tell us why did this happen, do you know why your house was burnt down?</text>
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		<line number="17">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="18">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Did you know who the perpetrators were?</text>
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		<line number="19">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Was there a witness who saw this and if there was, who was this witness?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>It was Noxaba who was out neighbour who said that she could not sleep that night and when she heard the bombs, she woke up and opened the window.  She saw two people and when they saw her they ran away.  One of these people were aiming at our bedroom and the other one at the dining room.  Noxaba saw them at that time and they then ran away.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="23">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>No she did not recognise them.</text>
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		<line number="24">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>These bombs, what happened to them, did they all explode?</text>
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		<line number="25">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Sir you said that there were people who tried to save you, who were these people?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Our neighbours and people from the community.</text>
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		<line number="28">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>How was your house damaged?</text>
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		<line number="29">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>The damaged costs were plus minus sixty thousand.</text>
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		<line number="30">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Did you manage to take out any furniture?</text>
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		<line number="31">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Our bedroom furniture and the dining furniture was burnt out.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Did you get any help from the Government as this used to happen at that time?</text>
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		<line number="33">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="34">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>So you managed to rebuild your house?</text>
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		<line number="35">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Yes we managed to do that especially the doors and the windows.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Sir please tell us what else happened in the community, did this happen to other people who were members of your organisation or to people who were against your organisation?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="38">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>You said that you laid a charge but this did not go any further?</text>
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		<line number="39">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="40">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Do you have a request to the Commission?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>My request to the Commission is that I would like the people who did this to me to come forward.  I would like them to confess and to tell us who authorised them to do this.  That would satisfy us.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you Sir, is that all?</text>
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		<line number="43">
			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text>Yes that is all.</text>
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		<line number="44">
			<speaker>MISS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, I will hand over to the Chairperson.</text>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Mr Mtele we thank you very much.  Were you working at the Border Council of Churches at the time of the incident?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MTELE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="47">
			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text> We would like to thank you for reminding us of this incident and such incidents happened a lot in this region to people who were leaders in the organisations fighting for liberation.  Thank you Sir.</text>
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