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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS</type>
	<startdate>1997-06-10</startdate>
	<location>EAST LONDON</location>
	<day>2</day>
	<names>MRS FRANCINA WHEELER</names>
	<case>EC729/96 ELN</case>
						<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55243&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
	<originalhtml>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/hrvel2/elnwhe.htm</originalhtml>
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			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>Our next witness is Knosinathi Gontshi.  It looks as if Knosinathi Gontshi is not here so could we call Francina Wheeler?</text>
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			<speaker>REV XUNDU</speaker>
			<text>Francina Wheeler will you stand to take the oath?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS FRANCINA WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>(Sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="4">
			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text>June Crichton?</text>
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		<line number="5">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="6">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>How are you feeling are you feeling relaxed?</text>
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		<line number="8">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Nervous.</text>
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		<line number="9">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="10">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="11">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="12">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Through his friend that was with him.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>I see because in the statement it says something different.  Will you continue now and tell us exactly was happened.</text>
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			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="16">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Is that your statement completed?</text>
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		<line number="17">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="18">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Alright.  Some questions to you, what was the age of your husband when he died?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>He was about forty two.</text>
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		<line number="20">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Was he working?</text>
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		<line number="21">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Yes, he was working.</text>
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		<line number="22">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Where was he working?</text>
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		<line number="23">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>He was working at Grosvenor Ford.</text>
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		<line number="24">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Were you assisted by the firm after his death?</text>
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		<line number="25">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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		<line number="26">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Not at all?</text>
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		<line number="27">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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		<line number="28">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="29">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>In terms of treatment for that have you had any psychological treatment, any care in that respect?</text>
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		<line number="31">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Was your husband on a medical aid?</text>
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		<line number="33">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Yes, but the day he was killed the medical aid fell away.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="35">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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		<line number="36">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="37">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="38">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="39">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Are you feeling the same way as the other witnesses about amnesty?</text>
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		<line number="41">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="42">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="43">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>I think that those who were involved should actually be punished.</text>
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		<line number="44">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="45">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>What are your expectations from the Commission Mrs Wheeler?</text>
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		<line number="47">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>I would like financial help for myself and my children.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Would you like to explain what kind of financial help, in what area for our children?</text>
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		<line number="49">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>School fees and medical aid.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Are you working at the moment?</text>
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		<line number="51">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Where you working before?</text>
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		<line number="53">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="54">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>As a result of the effects this has had on you?</text>
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		<line number="55">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>No, the company closed down.</text>
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		<line number="56">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Oh I see so you are actually starting another job?</text>
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		<line number="57">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>In July yes.</text>
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		<line number="58">
			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="59">
			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text>Do you have that hope that there will be?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>And in this country particularly?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS WHEELER</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS CRICHTON</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="65">
			<speaker>REV FINCA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>HEARING ADJOURNS</text>
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