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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS</type>
	<startdate>1996-10-09</startdate>
	<location>KAROO</location>
	<day>3</day>
		<case>CT/01505/KAR</case>
		<victims>MONGEZI JUDA</victims>
	<testimony>ELIZABETH JUDA</testimony>
	<nature>SHOOTING AND KILLING, BY POLICE</nature>
		<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55350&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<text>Can I move then to Mrs Juda.</text>
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			<text>ELIZABETH JUDA  Duly sworn states</text>
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			<text>ELIZABETH JUDA</text>
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			<text>ELIZABETH JUDA</text>
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			<text> When she arrived there she asked one man who was working there.  She asked whether Mongezi was there.  And this man said that he saw him.  And they came with they went to the police station with the van.  No police came to me, even until today.  </text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<text>I notice in your statement that the library is named after your son, Mongezi.</text>
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			<text>ELIZABETH JUDA</text>
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			<text>Mrs Sionzana and myself were called in the police station and they told us were our children were shot.  My were shot in the head and I saw this white man and I was dizzy at the time, because I was thinking about my son, because he was studying in Transkei and he was here in Colesberg for the school holidays at that time.  </text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Do you want to tell us.</text>
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			<text>ELIZABETH JUDA</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>[Indistinct] have any at the moment.  Is it working all right.</text>
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			<text>We understand that you had high hopes for Mongezi because he was the one who was studying.  And your children, where are they now.</text>
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			<text>ELIZABETH JUDA</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<text>One of the things that is coming out in the testimony of all of you is the strength that you gained from one another and the help you were able to give to one another. </text>
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