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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS</type>
	<startdate>1996-10-07</startdate>
	<location>KAROO</location>
	<day>1</day>
		<case>CT/01533/KAR</case>
		<victims>TSHEDISO PHAKALITHA</victims>
	<testimony>MIRIAM PHAKALITHA</testimony>
	<nature>DISAPPEARED AFTER ARRESTED, BY POLICE</nature>
		<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55361&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
	<originalhtml>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/karoo/ct01533.htm</originalhtml>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<text> [Indistinct] Phakalitha.  Can you hear me all right on the ear phones.  </text>
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			<text>MIRIAM PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>And you have a member of your family</text>
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			<text>MIRIAM PHAKALITHA</text>
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		<line number="8">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Who is he?</text>
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			<text>MIRIAM PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>It is my brother.  </text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Welcome sir, thank you.  </text>
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			<text>MIRIAM PHAKALITHA Duly sworn states</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you ver much.  You have come today to tell us about the disappearance of your father a long time ago - in 1968 was it?</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>It is said it is 1968 -  I did not know.  </text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Please tell us what you know of what happened.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>She then phone the house where my father was staying.  She told my father that there are police kept on coming.  My father is originally from Lesotho.  When my mother phoned, somebody said he was jailed.  She asked the boers - the boers were cheeky - my mother is also cheeky.  The boers said my father had left because he is too political.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>My mother never was clear whether my father had gone home to Lesotho, did they take him to the border gates, what exactly happened.  </text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<text>You were also told at the time that he was somehow connected with the people who were accused in Victoria West of trying to poison the water supply.  </text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>That is what they say.</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>[Indistinct] to us when we were in Beaufort West from that group of people who were arrested at the time.  </text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>And none of your family ever saw him again.</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>To this day -  no.</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>You believe of coming to talk here today there may be some way of finding out what happened to him.</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<text>MS SEROKE</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<text>MS SEROKE</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Did your father meet your mother in the Cape.  Had she never gone to Lesotho.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>They met here - my mother had never - did go to Lesotho.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Were there any talks about that, your father been involved in that political grouping?</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>According to Wilson they were a member of the PAC.  Apparently my father was very militant, very cheeky.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>[Indistinct] your mother,  Ms Phakalitha [indistinct] </text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>We were four children.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>[Indistinct] and [indistinct] over the years.</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>MS PHAKALITHA</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>My mother is a twin.  It is my mother and her twin sister that brought us up.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you very much.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS BURTON</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>We thank you very-very much for coming.  We understand that it is very distressing and we thank you.</text>
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