hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1997-05-14 3 B E GEORGE EC0846/96CCK https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55482&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/kwtown/gingeorg.htm CHAIRPERSON Bulukazi George. Georgina Nomvuyo Magai Marai. Bulukazi George, Georgina Nomvuyo Marai. What is your name Sir. CHIEF MARAI CHAIRPERSON Thank you. BULUKAZI ELSIE GEORGE (sworn states) CHIEF MARAI (sworn states) MR SANDI: Mrs George, what is your clan name ? MRS GEORGE .MAXENE(?)....................... MR SANDI MRS GEORGE MR SANDI MRS GEORGE Yes, they were at home, they did not go to school. MR SANDI And then the police came to fetch these children ? MRS GEORGE Yes. MR SANDI What happened to the child. Was he taken to hospital ? MRS GEORGE MR SANDI Did you consult any attorneys ? MRS GEORGE Yes, van Heerden but Smith is the man who was handling the whole case. MR SANDI Did they get the details. MRS GEORGE No. The case did not go far. We did not even get a death certificate because the police said, un.. (.....industinct) the police said that I would get the death certificate from the attorneys. MR SANDI Therefore the attorneys did not go far as you said. MRS GEORGE MR SANDI So you buried the child while... MRS GEORGE It was difficult to prepare for the funeral because it came suddenly. We had no money. MR SANDI Were the police present at the funeral ? MRS GEORGE They did not do anything funny at the funeral. What they did is they tried to stop my stepchildren to attend the funeral. They were asked how they were related to us. MR SANDI MRS GEORGE The pain will never subside. My mother died immediately after that. MR SANDI Maybe you may have requests that you can take before the State President. MRS GEORGE MR SANDI Do you have a tombstone ? MRS GEORGE No, we do not have money. MR SANDI CHIEF MARAI MR SANDI Please tell us briefly, what is it that you would like to say before the Commission ? CHIEF MARAI MR SANDI Were these men in exile ? CHIEF MARAI Yes, they were. MR SANDI Was this man, did he live there ? CHIEF MARAI He was in exile, he as member of the ANC. MR SANDIU: Therefore he was just in exile there? CHIEF MARAI MR SANDI They were buried ? CHIEF MARAI Yes, in December. MR SANDI CHIEF MARAI Yes, they were buried in Lesotho. MR SANDI Was Mr Thembo at the funeral ? CHIEF MARAI Yes, he was. MR SANDI: How should your family be helped ? Did this, did he have children? CHIEF MARAI MR SANDI Who supports your mother ? CHIEF MARAI MR SANDI Your request ? CHIEF MARAI I never thought about it, but a parent gets something from his or her own child but my parents did not get that chance because my bother was taken away. MR SANDI CHAIRPERSON MRS GEORGE CHAIRPERSON We are investigating the matter, some come, some are revealed, some are not. Thank you. MRS GEORGE