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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS</type>
	<startdate>1997-05-14</startdate>
	<location></location>
	<day>3</day>
	<names>ZANIWE MFONO</names>
	<case>EC1440/96SBR</case>
						<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55486&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
	<originalhtml>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/kwtown/kommfon.htm</originalhtml>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Zanyiwe Mfono, Nobesuthu Patience Mbelekana.  Are you going to take their names ?  Are you going to give evidence ?</text>
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			<speaker>N DYEVANA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="3">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Mpulwana Sithabathaba, are you going to give evidence ?</text>
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		<line number="4">
			<speaker>M SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text>Yes</text>
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		<line number="5">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Thank you.</text>
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		<line number="6">
			<speaker>ZANIWE  MFONO</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="7">
			<speaker>NENESA DYEVANA</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="8">
			<speaker>NOBE  SUTHU PATIENCE MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="9">
			<speaker>NOMBUKWANE SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states).</text>
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		<line number="10">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Ms Maya.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="12">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="13">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>I just heard bullet sounds, twice.  I did not take them seriously, it was a night.  I slept.  The next morning, the other kids said I must go ask where Masibonge had been arrested.  I asked where he was.  The said that the police had taken him. I went to the police station, told them I was looking for Masibonge.  The police said he was not there.  I went to the hospital.  It was at Frere Hospital.  I found out then that he was there at the hospital.  After that, the sister went to visit at Frere and found him there.  I was asked to go and sign some documents because he was going to be transferred to Cape Town.  He was shot at the side.  He was going to be taken to Cape Town.  I went and signed the documents.  He came back from Cape Town in June the same year.  He could not do anything for himself.  He was paralyzed.  He cannot do anything for himself.  The police came and fetched him.  He was asked to come to court, to appear in court, both with the other kids ...</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>No, I do not know.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Was he a member of a political organization ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>He was a school child.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Were there problems at school at the time, do you remember ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Therefore, you never got details as to why your child was shot, but do you know who shot him ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>He was shot by a policeman.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Do you know which policeman is this ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="25">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="26">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Did you give in a statement, or was Lokhwe charged ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>I went to an attorney.  My witness is here.  This attorney represented this child and they were innocent.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>What is he using now, what was he using went he went to the, to court.</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>He was using a wheelchair.</text>
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		<line number="30">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="31">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="32">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="33">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>Mlandeli.</text>
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		<line number="34">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="35">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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			<speaker>MS  MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Would you, do you have any requests ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="38">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>What are they ?</text>
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		<line number="39">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Masibonge eventually passed away.  What happened ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>He used his wheelchair for four years.  After that, as he was paralyzed, his bottom started rotting.  His knees started protruding, the bones and around his ribs.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>He was sent to Frere Hospital and they amputated him and he passed away in operation.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="44">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>I have a child at school.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>How old ?  When was he born ?</text>
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		<line number="46">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>In 1982.</text>
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		<line number="47">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>What standard is he doing ?</text>
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		<line number="48">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>Standard 7.</text>
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		<line number="49">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Was Masibonge your oldest, eldest child ?</text>
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		<line number="50">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="51">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="52">
			<speaker>MRS MFONO</speaker>
			<text>Yes.  No, I have no other requests.</text>
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		<line number="53">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="54">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="55">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Mbelekana.</text>
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		<line number="56">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Mbelekana.</text>
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		<line number="57">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="58">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="59">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Yes, he was stabbed on the 28th of  November 1993, yes.</text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>In your statement you give detail that he was killed by people who were members of two organizations.  Could you give us the details ?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS   MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="62">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Do you know who it is that warned him ?</text>
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		<line number="63">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Unkoluleko Xhani.</text>
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		<line number="64">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="65">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Unkoluleko Unxholi.</text>
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		<line number="66">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Is he still around ?</text>
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		<line number="67">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="68">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>In Komga ?</text>
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		<line number="69">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="70">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Was Archie a member of political organization, or what was the name of the organization ?</text>
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		<line number="71">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>ANC.</text>
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		<line number="72">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Did you find out who it is that murdered him ?</text>
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		<line number="73">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="74">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Did you talk to the person who came to warn him.</text>
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		<line number="75">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Neliswa, would you like to add something ?  Thank you, Mr Chairperson.</text>
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		<line number="77">
			<speaker>MS DYEVANA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="78">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="79">
			<speaker>MS MAYA </speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="80">
			<speaker>MS DVENAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="81">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Is that all you have to say?</text>
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		<line number="82">
			<speaker>MS DYEVANA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="83">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Mr Sithabathaba, would you like to add something but apparently, you are the uncle to the deceased ?  When you heard that something had happened, what did you find out ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR  SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="85">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>You never found out who it is that murdered him ?</text>
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		<line number="86">
			<speaker>MR  SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text>No.</text>
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		<line number="87">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>In our statement, Mbulelo was murdered by ANC members as he was going to be the new executive.  These people together with other members of yet another organization.  Could you tell us more about this ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR  SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="89">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Therefore, it is members of the two organizations ?</text>
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		<line number="90">
			<speaker>MR  SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text>Yes, ANC and PAC.</text>
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		<line number="91">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Did you hear of any reasons ?</text>
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		<line number="92">
			<speaker>MR  SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="93">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Was this a norm, that when such things would happen, these organizations would come together and attack.</text>
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		<line number="94">
			<speaker>MR  SITHABATHABA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="95">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you.  Do you have requests to the Commission ?</text>
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		<line number="96">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="97">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text>Was Mbulelo your only child ?</text>
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		<line number="98">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text>Yes, he was.</text>
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		<line number="99">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="100">
			<speaker>MRS MBELEKANA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="101">
			<speaker>MS MAYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>I thank you all for telling us about these incidents.  We know Komga velly, very well especially in connection with battles that took place there.   Even though it is difficult for you to be comforted.  However, a lot of work was done in Komga and around the border region.  We will look closely at your requests.  If it was up to us, we would meet all these needs, but we depend on the President to see what he can do, but in the meantime, we thank you.   Please step down.</text>
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