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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS</type>
	<startdate>1997-05-14</startdate>
	<location></location>
	<day>3</day>
	<names>JACKSON MALIBISHE BANI</names>
	<case>EC0358/96KWT</case>
						<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55491&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
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			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>I would like to greet you Sir, this afternoon.   Mr Jackson Malibishe Bani.  Please stand up.  Can you hear properly ?.</text>
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			<speaker>JACKSON MALIBISHE BANI</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="3">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Sir.  You may sit down.  Mr Tsiki Sandi.  Thank you, Mr Chairman.</text>
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			<speaker>MR  SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Mr Bani, you are here to tell us about what happened at your home, but it was not only your home, it was together with other families.  You were, forcefully removed from Bluerock Farm to Potsdam.  Is that correct Sir ?</text>
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		<line number="5">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Yes, that is correct.</text>
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		<line number="6">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Who was forcefully removing here, you from Bluerock Farm ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>I, we were told that Sebe wanted us to be removed from Bluerock Farm.</text>
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		<line number="8">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>For how long did you stay in Bluerock Farm ?</text>
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		<line number="9">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="10">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>You say that the Ciskeian police came.</text>
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		<line number="11">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Yes.  At that time, I had a place in Kadi, I arrived in the morning from work.</text>
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		<line number="12">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>When I arrived, people were forcefully removed.</text>
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			<speaker>MR  SANDI</speaker>
			<text>You said that there was damage done by the police, due to this.</text>
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		<line number="14">
			<speaker>MR  BANI</speaker>
			<text>I did not see this.</text>
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		<line number="15">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>You furniture, did, were, was it damaged ?</text>
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		<line number="16">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="17">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Who is Reggie ?</text>
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		<line number="18">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Reggie is a white farmer.</text>
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		<line number="19">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>You were then taken to Potsdam.  Were there any other people who were helping the police in this act ?</text>
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		<line number="20">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Yes, there were people who helped the police.</text>
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		<line number="21">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Were they helping the police, in which way, what were they doing ?</text>
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		<line number="22">
			<speaker>MR  BANI</speaker>
			<text>They were taking people with their lorries, removing them from this place.</text>
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		<line number="23">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Are these people known as the Vigilantes ?</text>
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		<line number="24">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>No.   They are the people from the Municipality.</text>
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		<line number="25">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Were you staying in shacks or in houses ?</text>
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		<line number="26">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Some were staying in shacks and some in houses.</text>
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		<line number="27">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>You were then taken to Potsdam ?</text>
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		<line number="28">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Yes, we are removed to Potsdam.</text>
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		<line number="29">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Were you promised, did anyone promise to build houses for you in Potsdam ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>We were not told anything, we were just forcefully removed.</text>
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		<line number="31">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>In your statement, Mr Bani, you said that the Government of Ciskei promised you to build houses in Potsdam.  Is that correct ?</text>
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		<line number="32">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>No, that is not correct.  No houses were built.</text>
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		<line number="33">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Was there a promise ?</text>
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		<line number="34">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="35">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Mr Bani, do have a request to the Commission to-day ?</text>
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		<line number="36">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Yes, I do, because our furniture was damaged, it was very difficult for us especially in Potsdam.</text>
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		<line number="37">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="38">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="39">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Please tell us your request, Sir.</text>
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		<line number="40">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="41">
			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Please tell us, Sir.</text>
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		<line number="42">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Sir.  Is that all you wanted to say ?  Is that all you wanted to say concerning this matter Sir ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MR SANDI</speaker>
			<text>When I was asking you questions, I did not ask you everything, because I noted that we have information in our statements.</text>
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			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="47">
			<speaker>MR  SANDI</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Sir. Thank you, Mr Chairperson.</text>
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		<line number="48">
			<speaker>CHAIRPERSON</speaker>
			<text>We thank you, Sir.  It is clear that you are an old man now, but we do</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="50">
			<speaker>MR BANI</speaker>
			<text>Thank you.</text>
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