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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS</type>
	<startdate>1997-04-08</startdate>
	<location>MESSINA</location>
	<day>1</day>
	<names>MADONI A MANTHATA</names>
	<case>4004</case>
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			<text>Hearing opens with a hymn and a prayer.</text>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MAYOR LERULE</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mayor Lerule.  Can I please ask Mr Lebo Diborengwi to come forward and just read out the names of all the witnesses who will be appearing to-day ?  Thank you very much, Sir.</text>
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			<speaker>MR DIBORENGWI</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
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			<text> Before I hand over to Miss Joyce Seroke who will be leading the first witness.  O, sorry, all right.  I just want to welcome Father Flemming.  The Reverend Joseph Umbequa we introduced already and as well as Reverend Makene.  Thank you for being here.  Can I please then call the first witness.  Humphrey Chauke has not arrived yet.  Is that right ?  I would like to welcome Betty Muleya.  </text>
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			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
			<text>Miriam.  Miriam.</text>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Sorry, the deponent is Miriam....... (no further recording on the rest if side A of the tape)...</text>
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			<text> Can I please ask Mr Manthata to come forward.  Mr Manthata, good morning.  Welcome.  I would just like to ask Miss Joyce Seroke to help you take the oath.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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			<speaker>DR ALLY</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR ALLY</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR ALLY</speaker>
			<text>Thank you, Mr Manthata.  Just, just one last question and if you could just very briefly tell us a, a little bit about your involvement in what describe as the  Messina Advisory Board and you say that this also let to the police focusing their attention on you, visiting your house, threatening to arrest you.  Can you tell us about this Messina Advisory Board.  What it did and, and what your role in it was ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR ALLY</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>(Commission)  During that time when you were a member of the Advisory Board, what were you doing for people ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>(Commission)  What were the problems that the Messina people had during those times ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>(Commission)  If you could just answer briefly.  Where you ever arrested ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>So it was set up by, by the Council in this area, rather than from the community itself.  Am I right ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Sorry, Sir.</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Can you tell me, this question of banishment.  Did that happen to other members of the Advisory Board as well or was it only you and a few others ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>If you were asked by Mr Klopper to come in and told to leave Messina.  Was that happening, did that happen to other members of the Advisory Board or was it only to you ?</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Thank you very much.</text>
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