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	<systype>hrvtrans</systype>
	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS</type>
	<startdate>1997-04-08</startdate>
	<location>MESSINA</location>
	<day>1</day>
	<names>MIRIAM M MULEYA</names>
	<case>3190</case>
						<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55607&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
	<originalhtml>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/messina/mesmule.htm</originalhtml>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Meriam, good morning.</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Morning.</text>
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		<line number="3">
			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Can you hear me clearly?</text>
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		<line number="4">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="5">
			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Can you please take the oath.  Miss Joyce Seroke is going to help you and then Mr Tom Manthata is going to help you in, as you tell your story.  Thank you very much.</text>
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			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="7">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>(sworn states)</text>
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		<line number="8">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Good morning.</text>
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		<line number="9">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Good morning.</text>
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		<line number="10">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>You are going to tell us about Betty.  Is Betty  your mother or sister?</text>
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		<line number="11">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="12">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>What are you doing now Betty, Meriam?</text>
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		<line number="13">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Nothing.</text>
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		<line number="14">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>You are not working?</text>
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		<line number="15">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="16">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>How many are you at home?</text>
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		<line number="17">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>We are seven.</text>
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		<line number="18">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>How many are working at home?</text>
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		<line number="19">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Six are working.</text>
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		<line number="20">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="21">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="22">
			<speaker>MR </speaker>
			<text>MANTHATA:     When your mother got injured was, was she working?</text>
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		<line number="23">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>She was sleeping in a, in a room.</text>
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		<line number="24">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Can you please tell us, how did it happen?</text>
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		<line number="25">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>My mother was sleeping in a room so people were going to the stadium.</text>
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		<line number="26">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Okay.  Shall we, we go back a bit.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="27">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="28">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>The interpreters are confused but they, the Peddie, the Sotho</text>
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		<line number="29">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="30">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="31">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="32">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>No, they were getting out of the stadium and they were going.  They were going.</text>
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		<line number="33">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>You say you were not at the stadium?</text>
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		<line number="34">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Yes, I was not there.</text>
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		<line number="35">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Could you tell us what could have been happening in the stadium? What was taking place in the street?</text>
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		<line number="36">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>And were the people going to the stadium marching in an orderly manner?</text>
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		<line number="38">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>They were marching in an orderly manner.</text>
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		<line number="39">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>There were no demonstrators?</text>
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		<line number="40">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Not that I know.</text>
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		<line number="41">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>What would you say the reason was to throw a teargas if it was orderly?</text>
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		<line number="42">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
		</line>
		<line number="43">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Was it thereafter, was it realized that it was your family only that was affected or could other families nearby have been affected by the bomb?  By the teargas?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="45">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>I see.  Was your mother ever taken to the doctor?</text>
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		<line number="46">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="47">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Did the doctor tell you what the problem was?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>She might have.  The doctor might have told my elder brothers, me, no.</text>
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		<line number="49">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Were there ever letters written by the doctor regarding the diagnosis taken by him?</text>
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		<line number="50">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.   Yes, there were letters.</text>
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		<line number="51">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>And, having discovered or have been, having been told that it was, it has affected your mother that much, were there ever steps made to take the instance to the police?</text>
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		<line number="52">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>No. No. No action taken.</text>
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		<line number="53">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>And you say, for how long has your mother been in that state of ill health?</text>
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		<line number="54">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>About six years.</text>
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			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>By the way so she, she is since late.</text>
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		<line number="56">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="57">
			<speaker>MR MANTHATA</speaker>
			<text>Okay, no further questions Meriam.  I hand over to the Chairperson.  Thank you.</text>
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		<line number="58">
			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Joyce?</text>
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		<line number="59">
			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
			<text>Meriam, I just want to clarify the fact about your mother.  In your statement you say she is paralyzed on the left side of her body and just now when you were talking to Manthata you said, she has since passed away.  Is she still alive or has she passed away?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>She passed away last month.</text>
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		<line number="61">
			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
			<text>That was before you made the statement.  I mean after you had made the statement.</text>
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		<line number="62">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>After.</text>
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		<line number="63">
			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="64">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="65">
			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
			<text>Why did you not report the matter to the police?</text>
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		<line number="66">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
		</line>
		<line number="67">
			<speaker>MISS SEROKE</speaker>
			<text>Thank you.</text>
		</line>
		<line number="68">
			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Dr Ally?</text>
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		<line number="69">
			<speaker>DR ALLY</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="70">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="71">
			<speaker>DR ALLY</speaker>
			<text>..........  statement in, in your, this document that you filled in about stones being thrown.  Where does, where does that come, did you make that statement, that stones were actually thrown during this, this march.</text>
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		<line number="72">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="73">
			<speaker>DR ALLY</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="74">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="75">
			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>Meriam, can you just tell us how old was your mother when she  passed away?</text>
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		<line number="76">
			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>I just want to get some clarification.  You say your mother was paralyzed.  How soon after the teargas canister was shot into the bedroom, did she become paralyzed?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>She became paralyzed in 1994.  Shortly, around July.</text>
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			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text>So that was almost a year after, after the day of this incident?</text>
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			<speaker>MRS MULEYA</speaker>
			<text>Yes.</text>
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		<line number="81">
			<speaker>DR RANDERA</speaker>
			<text></text>
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		<line number="82">
			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>_________________________</text>
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