hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1997-04-08 MESSINA 1 FACHIMA N NKUNDLANE 4011 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55609&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/messina/mesnkund.htm DR RANDERA Can Miss Nkundlane please come forward. Miss Nkundlane, good afternoon and welcome. MISS NKUNDLANE Afternoon. DR RANDERA MISS NKUNDLANE (sworn states) DR RANDERA MISS NKUNDLANE DR RANDERA Miss Nkundlane, is, is there anything else you want to say. MISS NKUNDLANE DR RANDERA MISS NKUNDLANE DR RANDERA Sorry. Are they two different incidences altogether? MISS NKUNDLANE It is too different incidents. DR RANDERA Okay so this gentleman, Pops, again it seemed like he became the target in, in, in the community for some reason. His house gets burnt, his car gets burnt, he gets accused of, of being involved in witchcraft. Can you tell us a little more about that? MISS NKUNDLANE DR RANDERA In your statement, you talk of being part of the ANC in underground. MISS NKUNDLANE DR RANDERA Did you leave the country for, before that? At any time? MISS NKUNDLANE No, I was always inside the country. DR RANDERA Dr Ally earlier on asked somebody else the question about the consumer boycotts and who was behind those boycotts. Was that organized by the ANC or the UDF? MISS NKUNDLANE It was organized by the community because the youth, at the time, we were, we were actually leaders to the community but we could not actually tell the community what to do. The community would decide on their own and agree what to do and decide who will be their leaders. And when they decide to do something we would be the leaders to that decision. DR RANDERA The policeman who were, in, involved in your arrest and subsequent torture, are they still in the community and are they still working within the police force? MISS NKUNDLANE DR RANDERA Can I, can I ask you your opinion, in case these people do apply for amnesty and amnesty is granted, what would you feel? MISS NKUNDLANE That can be a good ting, thing if they could apply for amnesty and I would like it if they can come to me and explain why they were torturing me. I would like to know the main reason. DR RANDERA Thank you very much. Joyce ! MISS SEROKE MISS NKUNDLANE MISS SEROKE MISS NKUNDLANE DR RANDERA Mr Manthata ! MR MANTHATA Porschia, are you saying some of you who were arrested were, were taken to court? What did they do? MISS NKUNDLANE They were being questioned about this incident of, of a car being burnt. MR MANTHATA These people who were taken to court, were they not members of any political organization? MISS NKUNDLANE They were members of the ANC Youth League. MR MANTHATA MISS NKUNDLANE MR MANTHATA MISS NKUNDLANE MR MANTHATA I see it was not a political decision? MISS NKUNDLANE No. MR MANTHATA Oh fine. You political leaders at the time, is it true that you, you could not, you could not stop them? MISS NKUNDLANE Yes, it was difficult to stop these people at the time because they were going to cause problems. MR MANTHATA I would like to ask you how, how, for how long did they torture you and arrest you? MISS NKUNDLANE Do you mean in 1990 when I was arrested? They did not arrest me once, it was many times. I want to know, are you relating to the 1990 incident? MR MANTHATA MISS NKUNDLANE MR MANTHATA And we understand that this Pops incidents was related to politics because at the time they were against political organizations but every time when you were active and boycotting and doing other things, was there a time where you did actually burn house of Committee Councillors or even killing them? MISS NKUNDLANE MR MANTHATA Thank you. DR RANDERA Dr Ally ! DR ALLY Was Pops seen as involved with Community Councillors or sympathetic to Community Councillors that he became such a target? MISS NKUNDLANE No. DR ALLY And, and presently, where is this person? Pops, is he still in the community or what, what happened to him? MISS NKUNDLANE The Committee evicted him. DR ALLY Can you just explain. What do you mean, the community evicted him? MISS NKUNDLANE After his house was burnt and after people were complaining that he, he must leave Messina, from that day he just disappeared. We could only see him during the, his trials. DR ALLY And presently, do you have any idea where he is or, any knowledge? MISS NKUNDLANE DR ALLY Thank you. DR RANDERA Can I suggest that we break for lunch and return at two thirty five. Thank you. Two thirty.