hrvtrans 1 P MABALANE, HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1996-07-08 MMABATHO 1 PULANE G MABALANE https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55666&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/mmabatho/mabalane.htm DR RANDERA I would like to say that there are people here today who have come to make statements. If there are, please if you can go through that entrance at any time during the day of over the next three days. Statement takers are present and will be able to take your statements today and over the next two days. Mrs Mabalane welcome, can you hear me? I know you have come a long way, all the way from Vryburg and I would like to again extend a warm welcome to you. You have come to tell us today about the very painful story that you held with you for the last ten years. It is concerning your daughter. I understand that you have brought some witnesses with you. Are they here this morning? Mrs Mabalane are the witnesses here with you - your daughter? MS MABALANE Yes, she is here. DR RANDERA Would she like to come forward as well? I'm speaking about Dipho Joyce Mabalane. Are you with us this morning? I also understand that a statement has been made concerning your daughter by Neo Solomon Kgetsana. Is he here this morning? Has he not come with you today? And then the last person who has also made a statement regarding your daughter is Pulane Gladys Mabalane. Is she here MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST 2 P MABALANE this morning? Would she like to come forward? Mrs Mabalane, before I ask you to take the oath I just want to give some background to the period we are talking about in the area that you are coming from. What is now known as the North West Province incorporates primarily the former homeland, called Bophuthatswana and significant sections of the former Northern Cape. Bophuthatswana has rightly been described as a jigsaw that doesn't fit, since it was made of seven separate pieces of land spread across the north of Pretoria, Western Transvaal, Northern Cape and the Orange Free State and reflects an ethnic diversity which flew of the face of apartheid's bases for constructing the homeland system. I just want to say that the area that you come from particularly and your daughter there with you is Huhudi, and the time that we area looking at is 1985. I would like to again put it in some context. In 1983 14 Huhudi High School children were charged with public violence. Priscilla Jana defended some of these children and charges were withdrawn against some and other pleaded guilty and were given lashes. In May 1983 a Councillor Mathloko claims that his house and shop were stoned on occasions after Civic Association and UDF and Huhudi Youth Association Meetings were held. In 1984 a small march in August demonstrating against the tricameral elections was held. An ANC MK member allegedly killed himself with a hand grenade and an attempt was made to set Councillor Dikgole's house alight. In 1985 and that is the year that we are going to be talking about soon, a handgrenade was allegedly thrown by an unknown person at the house of Councillor Dikgole, Chairperson on the Huhudi Community Council. There were MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST 3 P MABALANE also attacks on the houses of Councillor Thiba and a Security Policemen. On June 16 a commemoration service was held in the Huhudi Community Hall. After the service, while the crowd was making its way home a Community Councillor, Steven Mathloko, allegedly drives his bakkie into this crowd, badly injuring a girl. Late that night Mathloko's shop is stoned. Between the 4th and the 11th of July Huhudi Civic Association holds a meeting to discuss rents. The meeting was addressed by among others Galeng, the Civic leader. The meeting resolves to write and present a memorandum to Mr Dikgole. The evening of 11th July the house of Galeng was stoned, allegedly by vigilantes. On the 12th of July a memorandum is handed to Mr Dikgole. That evening the house of Francis London, another Civic leader and Publicity Secretary of the Huhudi Civic Association is burnt down. In mid July to November there were intense conflict in the Huhudi community where almost daily reports of the stoning and burning of houses belonging to Community Councillors, collaborators and policemen is reported. Nicholas Ntusi, an activist from Huhudi is burnt to death by vigilantes. Mrs Mabalane, that is the period that we are dealing with and you are going to be talking about your daughter and I understand your other daughter will also be talking about her sister. I would like you please now to stand up and take the oath. I would like your daughter to stand up as well. PULANE G MABALANE (sworn states) DR RANDERA Mrs Mabalane I'm going to be leading you in telling your story this morning. You have all the time and MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST 4 P MABALANE please take your time. Can you please start and tell us about your daughter Frida Mabalane. MS MABALANE When she came back from school, just when she dropped her books at home, then she left. During the day she came back being stabbed. We kept her, we did not take her to the physician. At night we decided we should. DR RANDERA We just want to improve the sound system. All right, can you start again. MS MABALANE At night they came to fetch her. They took her next to the stores. The kid came back. They have poured her with paraffin or petrol gallon and she was burnt all over and then I took her and asked for assistance from Mr Jungi. Mr Jungi said, my car was not ok, we'll ask from brother Nel so that we can help you. Nel took us to the police station. At the police station they took us to the hospital. When we arrived at the hospital they sent us to Kimberley. My daughter died in Kimberley. When I left Kimberley I came back home. And then someone who stabbed her has never been arrested and also those people who burnt her, none of them has been arrested as yet. When we arrived at this hospital, my mother's cousin who is Peggy Beganju phoned my mom at Guateng. They came home and found that their daughter was dead. DR RANDERA Mrs Mabalane is there anything else you want to add or can I go on to you daughter? MS MABALANE You can ask my daughter to testify. DR RANDERA Mrs Mabalane are you all right? S MABALANE Yes. DR RANDERA I'm sorry that your daughter will not be able MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST 5 P MABALANE to give her part of the story. She has gone out to rest and perhaps if she wants to come back, she can come back later. Mrs Mabalane I just want to ask you a few questions about Frida. Can you tell us how old she was when she passed away? MS MABALANE She was 15 years. DR RANDERA And she was still going to school. What standard school was she in? MS MABALANE She was in standard 5. DR RANDERA Mrs Mabalane, can you tell us a little more about Frida. Was she involved in the Youth Association? Was she involved in the UDF? Was she a member of the ANC at the time? MS MABALANE She was a member of the UDF. DR RANDERA Do you like to, in your own words - and please take your time - tell us why, you think, this happened to Frida. DR RANDERA Mrs Mabalane, I'm sorry but I won't be allowed to take a statement from your mother, because she has not made a statement to us, but I welcome her to sit next to you and give you as much support and comfort through this difficult period that you are going through right now. Can I repeat my question Mrs Mabalane? MS MABALANE Yes you may. DR RANDERA Can you in your own words - and take your time - please tell us why you think this horrific violation was committed against your daughter? MS MABALANE May you repeat the question please? DR RANDERA Could you please in your own words tell us why you think that this horrific violation was committed against your daughter? .... MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST 6 P MABALANE DR RANDERA Mrs Mabalane I am going to stop at this moment and ask if my fellow Commissioners and Committee members would like to ask some questions. MR MANTHATA I would like to ask you about Zero Thebe. Have you ever known what his real name was? MS MABALANE His name is Zero. His name is Zoro. Yes, it is written Zero. I do not know his surname. MR MANTHATA So you don't know his surname? OK we will leave that question out then. The people who came to fetch Frida at home, were they youths or were they adults? MS MABALANE They were youths. MR MANTHATA Do you know if they were school children or just youths who were roaming the streets? MS MABALANE No, I do not know because they had their copper heads on. MR MANTHATA These young people do you know which organization they belonged to as it was said there they were Civic Associations and other organizations. MS MABALANE No, we never knew. MR MANTHATA Seemingly, there was an organization by the name of UDF. Did those youths belong to the UDF? MS MABALANE Yes, they belonged to the UDF. MR MANTHATA I will return to the name, Zero Thebe. Was he also a member of the UDF? MS MABALANE Yes. MR MANTHATA After this incidence I see here you said there was a family friend, called Louis Manyedi. MS MABALANE Yes, he was my uncle. MR MANTHATA Did he continue to visit your family after this incidence? MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST 7 P MABALANE MS MABALANE No, he never did, because he became ill thereafter and now he has passed away. MR MANTHATA Was there a court case after the death? Did you know who was handling the court case at the police station? MS MABALANE It was Sergeant Mogatsha. MR MANTHATA Thank you. MS SEROKE Mrs Mabalane I'm going to repeat what Dr Randera has asked you. Have you any idea why they have killed Frida? MS MABALANE I think it was because my uncle was a policeman. The two of my uncles were policemen. Now I think they killed her because they thought she was related to two policemen. MS SEROKE So they have accused her of staying with policemen? MS MABALANE Yes, even if she went to the meetings she would be told that she was a spy. MS SEROKE What do you request from the Truth Commission with regards to this matter? MS MABALANE I would liked to be helped with my house. MS SEROKE Did they burn your house? MS MABALANE No. I'm staying with my Granny. I do not have a place to stay and I would like to have a house of my own together with my children. MS SEROKE Mrs Mabalane we have listened to your horrific story. We don't know if we will listen to the testimony from Dipho, but we want to thank you that you came to the Commission to tell us the pain that you have been through and the heavy burden that is still inside you. We will request God to be with you in this time of trouble and would MMABATHO HEARING TRC/NORTH WEST 8 P MABALANE ask Him to console you. We don't have those powers, the Commission, but we are going to try and see whether there is any way we can help you. We want to thank you very much.