hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1997-05-21 PIET RETIEF 1 KHABONINA L MASILELA JB 2113 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55753&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/pietret/masilela.htm KHABONINA L MASILELA (sworn states) MR LEWIN Mrs Masilela I'd like to thank you for coming and would like to welcome you to this hearing. While you were travelling this morning we did hear that there were some visitors from Germany but I don't think they travelled from Germany today so I think you must be the only person at this hearing who's actually travelled from another country. Because I don't think that people realise that for you to get to this hearing today you've actually travelled all the way through Swaziland. So we'd like to thank you very much for making that effort and also to thank the person who brought you here for bringing you here. You're going to be telling us about an incident that took place in Boschfontein in 1986 and we'd just ask if you could please in your own time, in your own words tell that story and also explain the context of the stay-away and what happened to you. Thanks very much. MRS MASILELA In 1986 we had gathered in a ground as a community. We were going to address a the president issue, President Mandela. As we were there we saw the helicopter flying by and we were there. We stood up, it was flying not too far away and it kept flying around us. Suddenly they threw tear gas and we realised that we had water and as they threw that tear gas we tried to help ourselves with this water we had and they realised that we're not running away and started shooting. As they did that I got injured on my left shoulder. I fell down and I was bleeding profusely. I was taken to a combi and I was driven to hospital. When we got there we were examined and given treatment. I felt so much pain and asked about it as to how long will this pain last and they said no the rubber bullet would melt. After that I won't feel any pain. And today I still have problems with my left arm. I can't lift anything heavy at all. My arm is not functional, I can't do my own laundry. We moved and I was not the only one, we were quite a number. We were discharged and we were told to go back home from hospital and we did just exactly that. I tried when I got home to go to the chemist to enlist help which I got. I will end here. That's exactly what happened on that day in 1986, what I saw. MR LEWIN Thank you very much Mrs Masilela. If I could just ask a few questions to clear up some other questions that we might have. You talked about the President Mandela issue. This was 1986 when he was still in prison, he still had four years to come out of prison. Can you explain to us what was happening? What was this issue that you were discussing at the grounds? MRS MASILELA We were discussing about his coming, that we should see to it that he is released because we are suffering. Because we thought that his being released many things will fall into place and we'll get better. MR LEWIN So it was a protest meeting if you like for him to be released? MRS MASILELA That's correct. MR LEWIN You talked about the helicopter. Can you identify the helicopter, was it a police helicopter, a defence force helicopter? MRS MASILELA It was a defence helicopter. It was a helicopter for the Army. MR LEWIN An army helicopter. And you say they first threw tear gas and then they started shooting. Did they carry out the shooting from the helicopter? It didn't land at all. MRS MASILELA No it was flying just above us and they opened the door. MR LEWIN And you mention in your statement that they fired with rubber bullets and bird shot. MRS MASILELA Correct. MR LEWIN What were you actually shot with? Rubber bullets MRS MASILELA They said so. MR LEWIN What was the effect on you, can you tell us. I mean fortunately few of us who have actually been hit by ...(intervention). MRS MASILELA It was an excruciating pain because I got hit right above my shoulder, my left arm on the shoulder. MR LEWIN And you said there was a lot of blood, did it break the skin? MRS MASILELA Yes. MR LEWIN But the bullet did that enter your body or not? MRS MASILELA Can you please repeat your question? MR LEWIN What happens to the rubber bullet when it's fired. Does it actually go into your body or does it bounce off? MRS MASILELA They did not tell me at the hospital. They took me to the X-Ray but never furnished information as far as that is concerned. MR LEWIN And you also mentioned that there were other people who were injured in this incident. Can you give some idea of how many other people were injured? MRS MASILELA The ones I saw on that day, it was Paulina Mkowchwa because I was with her going to the hospital and Mandhla Nkhabela. We were injured, and Lina Mkowchwa. Those are the ones I saw, and we were taken into the combi and driven to the hospital. MR LEWIN Were they all from Boschfontein as well? MRS MASILELA That's correct. MR LEWIN Can you tell us a little bit about yourself please Mrs Masilela, how do you live, do you work and how has that been affected by...(intervention) MRS MASILELA I'm not working. MR LEWIN And how do you find the money to look after yourself and buy the necessary?...(intervention) MRS MASILELA I don't have any source of income. My husband is on pension now as well. MR LEWIN Do you have to get treatment still from the hospital? MRS MASILELA Not anymore. MR LEWIN Is there anything that you think can be done to help you and the pain that you still have from your shoulder? MRS MASILELA Yes. MR LEWIN Thank you Mr Chairperson. CHAIRPERSON Mr Manthata. MR MANTHATA Mrs Masilela had you ever heard about the organisation Release Mandela Campaign? Sorry, have you understood my question? MRS MASILELA I heard but I don't understand, won't you please repeat the question? We were just gathered as an ANC organisation but I have heard. MR MANTHATA At that gathering, who was addressing you? Or who was to address you? MRS MASILELA It is Galela's son. MR MANTHATA Were there people in Boschfontein, who were political prisoners at that time? Were there any political prisoners in that community? MRS MASILELA Yes. MR MANTHATA How many were they? MRS MASILELA I don't remember the number. MR MANTHATA But do you still remember what they were arrested for? MRS MASILELA You mean the ones who were arrested ... (intervention). MR MANTHATA The ones who were in prison at that time? The people who were in prison, that is the political prisoners in Boschfontein at the time of that meeting. MRS MASILELA I don't remember but we used to gather, convene and discuss as an ANC organisation, ANC members. About the ones who were in prison I won't be able to say anything as far as that is concerned. MR MANTHATA Was that ANC or UDF organisation at the time? MRS MASILELA It was ANC. MR MANTHATA Thank you Mrs Masilela. CHAIRPERSON Mam just one question from me. What else was happening in your community at the time? Were there any other conflicts taking place, was there a move to oust councillors from the area, was there fighting between the youth and police, what else was happening? MRS MASILELA There was violence and a conflict between the police and the youth. CHAIRPERSON Can you tell us a little more about that? MRS MASILELA They arrived one day and took the youth to town and they were kept there for quite some days and they were released and they came back. They went to a different location this time now at night and took the youth of that location and they went to a ground and the youth tried to run away and they shot one of them. CHAIRPERSON Was that part of the protest on that day or was it just to do with releasing Mandela? MRS MASILELA That happened before, They started collecting though. CHAIRPERSON You said earlier on that your shoulder has been damaged because of the rubber bullet injury. What can you do with that arm, are you able to lift your arm like that. MRS MASILELA It's painful. This other one is fine but the left arm is painful. CHAIRPERSON Is there anything else you want to say before we finish? MRS MASILELA No, I just thank the Commission to afford me this opportunity to come and relate also my story because I had a broken heart. CHAIRPERSON Mrs Masilela we have to express our thanks to you for coming all this distance. My colleague tells me it's almost 500km away that you travelled today. Thank you very much for coming to share this story with us, we have heard your pain and we wish you a safe journey back to your home. Thank you for coming.