hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS 1996-11-27 GUGULETU 7 POLLSMOOR 2 CT/00100 CHRISTOPHER PIET NOMVUYO CYNTHIA NGEWU SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=55761&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/polls/ct00100.htm ADV POTGIETER Thank you Chairperson. The next witness is Nomwuyo Cynthia Ngewu, can she please come forward? Morning Ms Ngewu. MS NGEWU Good morning. ADV POTGIETER Welcome, have you got a family member with you? MS NGEWU This is my daughter. ADV POTGIETER And welcome to you as well. You will be talking, so I am going to ask you to take the oath and to stand up for that purpose. NOMVUYO CYNTHIA NGEWU Duly sworn states ADV POTGIETER You may be seated, my colleague Glenda Wildschut will assist you in giving your testimony. MS WILDSCHUT Morning Ms Ngewu. MS NGEWU Morning. MS WILDSCHUT Thank you for coming, you were sitting in the audience this morning, listening to the other mothers talk about their sons and we are very aware and very conscious of the fact that your son Christopher was involved in this incident as well. I wonder, by way of introduction, if you could tell us about Christopher. Could you describe Christopher to us, what kind of person was he? What was he doing and give us an idea of his character, his nature - what kind of person he was, please. MS NGEWU Christopher was my son, my second born child. He worked in the bakery, Albany bakery. On the 3rd of March, in the morning, he came to ask for money to go to work, I gave him the money. When I was at home, because my house is right next to this - car road and the - near the station. I heard people saying that there some people who had been shot. Then someone said that my son is amongst - the people that had been shot. But I - I relaxed, because I thought Christopher was at work. In the afternoon some Rastafarians came to us for Christopher. I said he has gone to work. They then said there was a shooting incident near Murray and Roberts. I told them that I did not know anything about it. They then said I should go look. I went to the police station and I asked for the names of the children that had been shot. The police said they do not know them, the police then said that I should go to Salt River, to the mortuary. I went there, they said that they did not know the children that were there. They asked me if I was strong enough to look at the bodies. I said I am strong enough, because I wanted to know where my child was. We bought the newspaper. There were guns point on top of the bodies. Each child had a gun on the body, we told our neighbours. About 3 or 4 days later the police came. Barnard was with other police, they asked if Christopher was my child. I said - yes. They said that Christopher had shot at the police. I said I did not know anything about that. The police would come in and out of my house. When the time came when we made arrangements for the funeral, we went to the Mashlube clan. The police then said we must bury our children immediately, I refused. I said I will bury my child when I see fit, because I am waiting for the rest of the members of my family. The Magistrate also gave an order that Christopher should be buried immediately. We went to our attorney, our attorney said we could bury our child when we wanted to bury her. After the funeral, I am not sure how much time had elapsed, but one morning somebody knocked on my door to hear - open the door - she came to me saying the police were here. She told me that the police were looking for me. I got up from the bed, they said they had come to get me to make a statement. I said - what statement do you want from me? Have you not killed my child? I said that I had no statement to make. That they could get the statement from the attorney. First two came into my house, I was not aware that there were others outside. I went to the toilet, when I came back, in the backyard, there were lots of police, black police speaking Zulu. I asked them what they wanted, they did not answer. They were just pointing their guns. I asked them what they wanted in my yard. I chased them away, I told them that they killed my son - now you want to kill me, I went inside. The one investigator asked what was going on. There was about 5 or 6 Casspirs parked outside my home. Blackie then - who was an investigator told the police to leave, but they did not leave, they just stood there. He said that they must leave. There was a Kombi full of investigators, maybe police as well. They were in civvies. I went inside and took a bath. Since my child had passed away, they would come into our house, and even ask why I would light a candle. I said that I cannot live without switching my candle on, because I am always in prayer. This one policeman said, he also believes in prayer. We then went to Town, it was Ms Miya and myself who gave statements. The others could not talk, because they said there was no time, they brought us back. MS WILDSCHUT Thank you Ms Ngewu - would you like to drink some water? I wonder if I can ask you a little bit more about Christopher, your son. Could you tell me, are you aware whether Christopher was involved in any politics - involved in - involved with the political party at all, are you aware of that? MS NGEWU MS WILDSCHUT Right, so as far as you are concerned - as far as you are concerned you were not aware that he may have been involved in politics? MS NGEWU No. MS WILDSCHUT I am going to ask you a few questions because I need to understand what type of person Christopher was. Could you describe him, what kind of person was he? [indistinct] tell me was he a leader, did he have qualities of a leader or something like that? MS NGEWU Christopher was working, he was supporting me, because the others was still at school. Because he realised that I was struggling and I hardly had any money, he said that he would give up school and go to work so that even his siblings could be able to carry on with their schooling. He would fix the house, the ceilings, everything I needed. He was not a child who would leave home for long periods of time, he would go and come back. MS WILDSCHUT So he was a very responsible person, would you say? MS NGEWU Yes, he was very responsible at home. MS WILDSCHUT So if he were to be involved in anything that is sport or doing anything, he would put his whole heart into doing that work? MS NGEWU MS WILDSCHUT Ja, that was going to be my next question, because some people referred to him as Rasta. Was that the name he was known by in the community? MS NGEWU Yes, he was called Rasta. MS WILDSCHUT And usually people who are Rastafarians have a particular way of dressing. A particular way of wearing their hair, did he have dreadlocks? MS NGEWU Yes, he had dreadlocks, but he would wear normal clothes. MS WILDSCHUT So when you saw you son on the television, was it the dreadlocks that you saw - that was part of the - part of the thing that helped to identify your son when you saw him on television? MS NGEWU Yes, it was his hair, but I could see it was - it was him. MS WILDSCHUT So there was court cases - there was an inquest and there was also a court case where the journalist were - were on trial. Where you involved in both of those cases, in other words, did they call you to come to the court? MS NGEWU Yes, we went to court. MS WILDSCHUT MS NGEWU No, nobody explained to me. MS WILDSCHUT MS NGEWU Nobody explained to me anything. We just heard that Barnard had shot him. He had a wound just above his ear. MS WILDSCHUT Thank you very much Ms Ngewu. CHAIRPERSON Any questions, Mary Burton? MS BURTON Ms Ngewu when I was a very new Commissioner and this commission was very new, you and Ms Miya and I think Ms Mxinwa were the first people that came to these offices, that I saw, that I met to say that you wanted to make a statement. I remember that day very well. And then, you made your statements and you appeared at the public hearings in April and now people have been asking you questions again and here you are, back again in front of the Commission. What - what makes you and your other mothers so strong? What makes you want to come back and put yourself through this again? What is it that keeps you going? MS NGEWU We pray, w e ask the Lord to give us strength, because there is nothing we can do about the death of our children. But we have just one request to see this people who killed our children - the Commission must please bring these people, the perpetrators, to us, so that we can see them and listen to them. MS BURTON We hope that we will be able to go some where towards doing that, thank you. CHAIRPERSON Any other questions, Dumisa? ADV NTSEBEZA No thank you. CHAIRPERSON Thank you, because you are here and we are also here, because you are here. We are here because your children sacrificed their lives, thank you.