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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS</type>
	<startdate>1996-10-16</startdate>
	<location>WINELANDS</location>
	<day>3</day>
		<case>CT/00429</case>
		<victims>HENDRINA KAYE</victims>
	<testimony>HENDRINA KAYE</testimony>
	<nature>SHOOTING</nature>
		<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=56129&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
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			<text>DR ORR</text>
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			<text>HENDRINA MAGDELENA KAYE  Verklaar onder eed</text>
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			<text>DR ORR</text>
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			<text>Baie dankie, Denzil?</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Thank you Wendy, Me Kaye goeie middag.</text>
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			<text>ME KAYE</text>
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			<text>Goeie middag.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>I was very inquisitive and that is why I was there.  When the people started leaving the hall I was part of this crowd watching how the people were leaving the hall.  And suddenly those people started running.  I also ran and suddenly I just felt lame and I felt something warm running down my leg.  When I looked down I saw blood, when I picked up my skirt I saw there was a big hole in my leg.  I started crying and I struggled to get home.</text>
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			<text>When I arrived home there was nobody there, I went to my sister-in-law and she arranged transport to Dr Nell.  When I came there, there were 2 ambulances standing there waiting to transport other injured people.  </text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>In which leg where you wounded?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>In the - my left thigh above the knee.  I was hurt in my knee, there was hole in my leg.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text> [indistinct] </text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>They said I was hit with a rubber bullet.  The children said the next day that they picked up big things - big - big cartridges.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Did you see the person who was shooting at you?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text></text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Did you run away from the police?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>Yes, when everybody started running I also ran away.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>What is the situation with your leg at the moment, is it completely healed?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>Yes, it is fine except that when it is cold my leg aces.  </text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Are you working?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Does your leg give your problems when you go to work?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>Not now, not like today but when it is - when the weather is no fine it gives me a lot of trouble.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>So were you not involved in this demonstration, you just ran away when people started running?  Were you ever charged with anything?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Yes, 3 weeks after that we were arrested but the case was withdrawn.  And afterwards we made statements when we reappeared at court but after that we never heard anything about this case.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Did you institute a claim at all, did you receive any compensation?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>No nothing at all.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you very much, is there any thing else you which to add?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>No.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Thank you very much for your evidence.</text>
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			<text>MS GOBODO</text>
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			<text>Thank you Hendrina, do you have any children?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>Yes, 4 children.</text>
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			<text>MS GOBODO</text>
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			<text>At the time of the incident, where - where were they and - or - how old were they?  At the time of the injury how old were your children?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>MS GOBODO</text>
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			<text> [indistinct] were bleeding when you went back home, running, bleeding? </text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>When I came home there was nobody there at my house.  When they shot me I just tried to get home immediately but there was nobody there to assist me because everybody was just trying to get to their own homes safely.  I just tried to get home and there was nobody there when I arrived there.  I went to my sister-in-law and she arranged for transport to Dr Nell.</text>
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			<text>MS GOBODO</text>
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			<text>It must have been very scary for you to be shot like that and to suddenly find that your life is at stake?</text>
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			<text>MS KAYE</text>
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			<text>Yes, it was.</text>
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			<text>MS GOBODO</text>
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			<text>And we just want to thank you for coming today to share with us that experience and to also open another window for us that into that little town in Wolseley to be part of that group that shows us what happened in Wolseley because often we do no hear any of the incidents that happen in towns that are not centrally located.  So we are very pleased that you came to share with us what happened then, thank you.</text>
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			<text>PROFF MEIRING</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text> I would like to read what was - what he - what he was written, it was short submission which was written on a - one of his letterheads and  he says that:</text>
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			<text>I was a available on 24th of November 1990 and did not refuse </text>
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			<text>anyone medical attention.  The patients were all taken directly to </text>
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			<text>incident on the 25th of November 1990.</text>
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			<text>I understand that there is going to have to be quite a bit of </text>
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			<text>clearing up with regards to this and that he should be granted the </text>
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			<text>opportunity.</text>
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