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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS</type>
	<startdate>1996-10-16</startdate>
	<location>WINELANDS</location>
	<day>3</day>
		<case>CT/00430</case>
		<victims>MARIA SEGRYS</victims>
	<testimony>MARIA SEGRYS</testimony>
	<nature>SHOOTING</nature>
		<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=56130&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
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			<text>DR ORR</text>
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			<text>MARIA REGINA SEGRYS  Duly sworn states</text>
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			<text>DR ORR</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you very much, I will ask advocate  Denzil Potgieter to lead your evidence.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you very much Wendy, Chairperson just indicate that the testimony of the next 4 witnesses relates to the same incident which the Mayor Mr McClune spoke about in Wolseley on the 24th of November 1990.  They were all injured in the incident and we will hear their testimony about what happened to them personally in this particular incident.</text>
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			<text> Ms Segrys can you hear well, a hearty welcome to you here once again.  The Mayor of Wolseley has described to us what the circumstances that day were.  What happened that day in Wolseley or in general what happened.  You yourself was also shot that day, is that correct?</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Yes. </text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Would you like to tell us what specifically happened to you, how did it happen that you were shot that day?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text></text>
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			<text>Run, run he was going to shoot you.</text>
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			<text></text>
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			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>And he just shot and he kept on shooting till I fell down.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you very much Ms Segrys, who was the policeman who shot you?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text></text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>From where was he?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text></text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>How do you know what his name  was?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>The name - the day I appeared in court I saw his name on his jacket.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>With what was you shot - were you shot?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text>With birdshot.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Do you still suffer from effects of those wounds?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Did he treat you?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>No, we never saw him, he never came to where we were.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>We waited for about half an hour or little more, we were laying on the grass.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>And in that time you never saw Dr Nell?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>No never.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Ms Segrys is there anything else we wish to bring under our attention?  Is there anything else you would like us to investigate for you?</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text>No there is nothing else.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>MS SEGRYS</text>
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			<text>Yes.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Thank you very much.</text>
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			<text>MS GOBODO</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Thank you, any questions?  Thank you very much for coming this afternoon all the way from Wolseley.  Wolseley is a very small town, we are delighted that you could be part of this event - that is a national event and that for once we hear those voices from Wolseley.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text> We are sorry to share your - that you have suffered the pain of abuse on the day of the march and we would like to assure you that we would pay attention to the request that you have made, thank you very much.</text>
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