hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS 1996-10-16 WINELANDS 3 CT/00685 ROBERT MCCLUNE ROBERT MCCLUNE SHOOTING https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=56140&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/wineland/ct00685.htm MS GOBODO We’ll call our last witness, Robert McClune please. DR ORR Robert we always say in English last but not least, your story is as important as everyone else’s and we thank you for being here today. Wouldn’t you please stand to take the oath. ROBERT EDWARD McCLUNE Duly sworn states DR ORR Thank you very much, Adv Potgieter? ADV POTGIETER Thank you very much Dr Orr, Mr McClune once again we would like to welcome you. It is so nice to have quite a few McClune from Wolseley here. Are you related to the Mayor? MR MCCLUNE Yes sir. ADV POTGIETER Fortunately, okay you were injured on the 24th of November 1990. In the incident which we were listening up to now, but you were shot later - shot and injured later the day, not immediately after the demonstration. Is that correct? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER Could you just tell us what happened in your case. MR MCCLUNE I was working Wolseley Bottle Store, we close the Bottle Store and I was on my way to my friend. And I got to him at quarter to 1, we sat there and had a braai and had a lovely party. And I sat there all night, at 10 o’clock that evening I said to him I was going home and his mother and father were already at home and I walked home. He took up until the Lane and just around the corner from Petunia Street I was struck and that was at 10 pat 10 that evening. It was in my right shoulder, my right side, the back of my right leg and my left knee. The police shot from the school Principal’s house and they shot continuously and fell flat on the ground and tried to get up. And I felt a burning sensation and I was bleeding. I crawled back to my friend’s house and when I got to the fence I shouted: Mummy, mummy. This is what we call each other parents because we - we grew up together, we were at school together. His mother opened the door and said: Robert what is wrong And I said: I’ve been shot by the police. And his mother took me in and I was bleeding and his mother bandages me. He Sunday morning I was encrustation pain, I couldn’t even walk. And the Sunday afternoon I had to be carried on somebody’s back to the Community Hall where we were. I did not go to a doctor because at the - at the hall I was treated by two doctors who had come from Cape Town. They removed two [indistinct] of birdshot but now I am working at a butchery that when I stand I feel lame and I cannot even carry the meat. I don’t know what to do, I am married and I have got a wife and two children. That’s all I want to say. ADV POTGIETER Thank you Mr McClune, are you working at the butchery at the moment? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER But your in - your - you say your injuries bother you, that you cannot for fill your duties properly? MR MCCLUNE When I stand I feel lame and I can’t carry the meat around. ADV POTGIETER Is that the region where you were shot? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER In your left side? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER So - on that particular day you were not involved in the protest demonstration at all? MR MCCLUNE No, I was working. ADV POTGIETER You say you were working until 1 o’clock and thereafter you had a party until 10 o’clock that evening? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER When you left your friend’s house as 10 o’clock - left the party was there still shooting going on or was a quiet by then? MR MCCLUNE When I took the corner in Petunia Street I was struck. ADV POTGIETER So when you left it was quiet and all of a sudden - unexpectedly 10 past 10 from the school Principals house and you weren’t expecting any shooting to take place? MR MCCLUNE No. ADV POTGIETER Do you - thought it was safe to go home? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER And how were you shot - were you shot from behind? MR MCCLUNE As I took the corner I was shot at an angle because the shot from the school Principal’s house. So as I was taking the corner they shot and struck me in my side and as I turned I was shot in my left knee. ADV POTGIETER Were you walking alone when you were shot? MR MCCLUNE Yes, my friend took me as far as the Lane and I said to him I was safe then. ADV POTGIETER And there was nobody else in the street apart from you? MR MCCLUNE No. ADV POTGIETER There was also nothing happening? MR MCCLUNE No, I did not see any body there. ADV POTGIETER There was no unrest in the area where you were? MR MCCLUNE No. ADV POTGIETER Why do you think why did the police still shoot then? MR MCCLUNE I just felt that if - if I had walked home I would be safe but just as I took the corner into Petunia Street I was shot right there. ADV POTGIETER So you say it was a - totally unnecessary to shoot? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER And it was more malicious that any thing else? MR MCCLUNE Yes and another question I want to put - say is that the police in Wolseley don’t do their work. They get other police to help them. ADV POTGIETER So the police who came to shoot there are not from Wolseley? MR MCCLUNE Wolseley police and other police. ADV POTGIETER So they did this job together? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER Did you institute a claim against them? MR MCCLUNE No, I haven’t. ADV POTGIETER So you haven’t received any compensation? MR MCCLUNE No nothing. ADV POTGIETER You say you are married and you have how many children? MR MCCLUNE Two. ADV POTGIETER Does your wife work? MR MCCLUNE She is a seasonal worker at SEPCO in Tulbagh. ADV POTGIETER How old are your children? MR MCCLUNE One is five not at school yet and the other one is still very young. ADV POTGIETER Mr McClune thank you very much, is there anything else that you would like to say. Is this your evidence? MR MCCLUNE Yes. ADV POTGIETER Thank you very much for having come. MS GOBODO Thank you Denzil, Robert what is most shocking about this testimony that you and others before you had given is the senselessness of it all. Just the senseless shooting of people who are unarmed and who were obviously causing no danger and were no danger to the police themselves. What is unbelievable is the extent to which the forces were brought in from all over as you have indicated yourself. We have a report from our investigators that on the Occurrence Book - in the Occurrence Book of the day the policeman in charge was issuing out guns - issued out guns - I don’t know how many guns - but it was very clear that there were policemen who were being brought from elsewhere - from other part surrounding Wolseley. And for people who were obviously causing no danger - no life threats to the policemen themselves. It really is very shocking the kinds of things that happen in these places and what happened in the past. That people will carry all these wounds around for nothing. You know for - for nothing, there is no explanation, no sensible reason. Nothing that can be touched, nothing that can be said moved them to shoot so many people and cause so much harm. We thank you for coming and we are very sad - saddened by just the state of affairs not only in Wolseley but generally in the country as depicted in the stories that people have brought to us. Thank you very much. MR MCCLUNE Thank you.