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	<type>HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HEARINGS</type>
	<startdate>1996-10-14</startdate>
	<location>WINELANDS</location>
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			<text>OPENING STATEMENT</text>
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			<text>REV E MAART</text>
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			<text>DR ORR</text>
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			<text>REV MAART Duly sworn states</text>
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			<text>DR ORR</text>
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			<text>Rev Maart I would like to hand over to you now, you have - have prepared a statement  for us and the stage is yours.</text>
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			<text>REV MAART</text>
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			<text>Good morning, I welcome you the commissioners of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission on behalf of the Paarl community.  We are grateful to you for the important work that you are doing and for all that are doing to promote the cause of peace and reconciliation within this country.  We believe this process is absolutely necessary in the healing of our land that had been subjected to so much that was destructive.</text>
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			<text>We of the Paarl community, are committed to the process for healing and peace that have been set up, but we are deeply aware of the tremendous pain, bitterness and suffering that our people have had to endure, over recent decades.  We have an historical legacy, that has negatively impinged upon us in our common life together.  It is the whole of our community that has suffered.</text>
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			<text>On the one hand there were those who belonged to the so-called white sector, who had inherited a complex historical process and legacy, which consisted of indelicate and unwise policies, which had led to racial separation, alienation and economic exploitation.  On the other hand there were those people who on the - who were on the wrong side of the divide, and who bore the brunt of the ill-effects of the repressive policies that have been persuade.  The legacy which we inherited as a town is one that caused  much pain and suffering, which both communities suffered.</text>
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			<text>The consequences of the legacy was that it engendered two political opposites who had in the process become sworn enemies.  A system was engineered, which consisted of a grotesquely lop-sided socioeconomic construct with an unjust political dispensation, undemocratically imposed on the majority of the population.  It was this failed socio-economic construct and unjust system that was vigorously perpetuated by state apparatus, that led to unrest, resistance and justifiable revolt, which after all is a long history in this country.  </text>
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			<text>The Group Areas Act, further exacerbated the alienation of people from one another in our town.  Progressive religious response and all political activity were severally curtailed.  Then came the Soweto Revolt, which impacted profoundly on student activism in Paarl.  Black consciousness mobilized them, and the state responded by unleashing heavy state violence against them.</text>
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			<text>Mobilization of the masses became more successful,  [indistinct]    The basis laid for the emergence of the United Democratic Front, also in Paarl - as in other areas.  </text>
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			<text>A whole spectrum of community organizations, political organizations, trade unions were organized and immobilized into an effective force.  More young people were recruited in this period for the liberation forces and Umkhonto we Sizwe.</text>
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			<text>One cannot  adequately - adequately begin to describe the retaliatory response by the  State that was perceived by them to be the total onslaught.  The riot and security police were most effectively used to combat mass gatherings and to intimidate ordinary citizens.  People who were afraid off a knock on the door.  It could mean death or arrest, many of us were arbitrarily incarcerated under the emergency laws of 1985.  The presents of informers was rife.</text>
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			<text>You could trust no one.  Archers provocateurs were used to infiltrate community organizations,  churches, sports clubs, the aim being to identify anyone who is - who was regarded as a subversives.  The aim was to destabilize in line with the policy of destabilization of countries outside South Africa.</text>
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			<text>I want to ask this morning who were the person in the blue bakkie which drove through Mbekweni shooting randomly at people, innocent people sitting on a - on a stoep.  Who was it?  Who caused the death of so many people, torturing them?  Who are responsible for the death of Ronnie Robinson?</text>
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			<text>May the TRC  be a formidable vehicle to forge towards that end. We want to express our thanks to:</text>
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			<text>Mr Tommy Matthee chairman of the local ANC Paarl branch.</text>
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			<text>Mr Lloyd Fortuin</text>
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			<text>Ms Marietjie  Victor for some last minute help with regard to the Statement.</text>
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			<text>1. That you help those of our people who are entitled to reparation</text>
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			<text>for losses that had  been sustained to receive such.</text>
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			<text>2.   That there be investigations instituted into unsolved political </text>
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			<text>cases of gross human rights violations and that calls for amnesty </text>
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			<text>by political prisoners still incarcerated be looked into for possible </text>
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			<text>validation.</text>
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			<text>3.   That the Paarl community be assisted to erect a worthy </text>
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			<text>monument in memory of those who died for the struggle or who </text>
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			<text>have suffered persecution and gross human rights violations in </text>
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			<text>the furtherance of peace, justice and freedom.  I thank you.</text>
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			<text>DR ORR</text>
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			<text>Thank you very much Rev Maart, I have no questions to ask.  But I like to hand you over to the chairperson.  Thank you very much, thank you.  Anyone here who would like questions for clarification, Denzil.  </text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Yes.</text>
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			<text>CHAIRPERSON</text>
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			<text>Denzil Potgieter.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Now in that era what was the situation in regard to inter-organizational strive and conflict.  Was that one of the  strategies that was adopted by the authorities to deal with this growing phenomenon of community organizations and structures?</text>
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			<text>REV MAART</text>
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			<text>Ja, I believe that the state had embarked upon a strategy of a - of bringing people against one another.  What do you call it again - divide and rule - words run away from you when you sit here.  Divide and rule, and I think this was basically the strategy that was employed by the state.  And they were very successfully in doing this because at the moment as a result divide and rule strategies we are still divided.  Many organizations  within the townships are still at log a heads with one another.  Is that true?</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>REV MAART</text>
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			<text>The mayor who was speaking at a function over the weekend and he was appealing to us all that we put our heads together,  put our hands together to work to bring our town together.  I think lots is been done in the recent past, in the municipal elections where co-operation and working together has been become more and more real, yes.</text>
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			<text>ADV POTGIETER</text>
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			<text>Thank you Reverend, thank you Chairperson.</text>
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			<text>CHAIRPERSON</text>
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			<text>Thank you very much.</text>
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			<text>REV MAART</text>
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			<text>Thank you.</text>
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			<text>UNKNOWN COMMISSIONER</text>
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			<text>Rev Maart I just want to, first of all, say that there seems to be a common pattern what ever there was conflict in so-called townships. That the police almost took the side of other radical groups like CASEY or AZAPO in confronting so-called UDF and this caused a lot of pain and cause those groups  [indistinct]  themselves.</text>
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			<text>What processes of reconciliation which were both specially in those arias where Mbekweni  there was conflict between AZAPO, AZANU against UDF with police collaborating with those groups.  Are there any suggestions that you far made, that you want to make to the Commission?</text>
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			<text>REV MAART</text>
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			<text>CHAIRPERSON</text>
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			<text>Thank you very-very much, I  [indistinct] very well.  Your particular roll as a committee leader when it was not popular.  When churches were about the only places or mosques and so one where our people has space to be able to express themselves and we want to give thanks to God for the leadership that people like yourselves gave in a time and we are glad that you are continuing  in the posed freedom period, to go on with your people so that you consolidate that freedom, thank you.</text>
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			<text>REV MAART</text>
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			<text>Can I just thank you to, Arch Bishop, for the time when you came in the townships and  [indistinct] of burning.  Yourself and Allen Boesak and other - others like yourself came to Paarl in the heat of things.  When the church was surrounded by Caspers, that you came and you spoke to us and you there  [indistinct] us out, thank you very much.</text>
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			<text>CHAIRPERSON</text>
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			<text>Yes, we should be a mutual admiration society.    </text>
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