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	<type>SUBMISSION, FATHER MICHAEL WEEDER</type>
	<startdate>1996-06-25</startdate>
	<location>WORCESTER</location>
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			<text>CHAIRPERSON</text>
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			<text>[indistinct] free time, but most seriously we saw some of the testimony that was given yesterday and again we are overwhelmed by the horror and the awfulness of what we knew took place, but each time we are told this, it is as  if we  really we do not know the depth  of evil and ugliness.</text>
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			<text>But what gives hope to our country is what we constantly want to underline.  The generosity that people have in their willingness to forgive people who have - who have been hurt so badly.  And we do believe that God wants to bless our country -  to heal our country.  And we thank all of those who are willing to come forward to testify -  to tell of the anguish and the pain that they experienced in the past so that we as a nation may acknowledge that pain.  We as the nation may then help as we open those wounds to cleanse them to pour ointment on them and so to heal them.</text>
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			<text>We are asked to work for the promotion of National Unity and Reconciliation and it is the work of every one of us and we thank God for all of you who come also to support  those who come to tell their stories.</text>
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			<text>And we hope that as we hear the stories each of us will form a firm commitment that we will never allow such things to happen again in our country.  We look to the past so that we must never repeat those awful things.</text>
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			<text>May I introduce the panel - on my right is Pumla Gobodo.  She is a committee  member of the Human Rights Violation Committee based in Cape Town.  And on my left is Dr Alex Boraine who is the  Deputy Chair of the Commission and is also a member of the Human Rights Violations Committee.  And on his left is advocate  Denzil Potgieter, a Commissioner  and member of the Human Rights Violations Committee.  And I hand over then to Dr Boraine.</text>
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			<text>DR BORAINE</text>
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			<text>Now, the Archbishop thought that there may not be anybody here today so he brought his own congregation just to make quite sure we have some people.  But in particular we are very-very delighted to have Ms Leah Tutu with us the wife of the Archbishop we very-very please to see her, together with daughters Thandi  and Mpho who are here and were here for the special celebrations that took place over the weekend.  We are very pleased to see you.</text>
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			<text>Also I  understand Father Beacon from Los Angeles and Dr Battle from Swayne  in the United States.  Ms Regis from Pasadena and her son who also here  and Mr &amp; Ms Bob Fitzgerald from Montana.</text>
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			<text>Well we are starting in a somewhat  different way today  in that the first witness is not so much a victim of Human Rights Violations with a particular story to tell.  But someone who has been a Pastor and Minister to his people, and who knows something about the background and the history of so many actions which took place and it was  thought good to have such a context given to us.  So I invite without any further ado Father Michael Weeder to come to the witness stand please.</text>
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			<text>Father Weeder you are very welcome, we are very grateful to you for coming and  you will know that if we had unlimited time we would be glad to see for the whole morning.  But our is limited we have number of witnesses we want to hear and  I gather that you are going to read a brief statement.</text>
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			<text>I think I must ask you if you would please stand to take the oath like anyone else.</text>
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			<text>MICHAEL WEEDER Duly sworn states</text>
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			<text>DR BORAINE</text>
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			<text>Thank you very much indeed again a very warm welcome and we will listen to your statement  with interest.  Thank you.</text>
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			<text>FATHER WEEDER</text>
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			<text>Thank you,  Mr Chairperson and members of the Commission.  I must express  a certain amount of awkwardness in presenting my statement because as I mentioned  I have lived for a very brief period within the region and  having  spent that time I realised that as a township and city born person I do have certain amount of privilege when having been exposed to the reality of rural life.</text>
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			<text>My exposure has also been somehow also sustained by the protection of the church in  whatever limited form it was sanctioned in the apartheid years.  And so it is also with that preface that I would like to introduce the statement.</text>
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			<text>I only been a priest for three  years as had also assumed pastoral responsibility to the parish of Zolani in October 1989.  At that time I was 30 years old, married and still am married to Bonita a school teacher by profession.</text>
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			<text>When we arrived here we had a daughter who was two years and four months, Giarra and a son, Andile would be born later that year. </text>
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			<text>I had been ordained to the priesthood at the end of 1985  and after three  years of ministry,  I was fairly inexperienced as a young priest coming to a rural town.  And it was an immense and daunting challenge of that loomed ahead of me.</text>
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			<text>Within 48 hours of our arrival  in Ashton the then acting Commanding Officer of Ashton Police Station  Warrant Officer Hanson welcomed us with an inquiry about whether we had a permit to live in white area.</text>
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			<text>I informed  him that it was not the custom of our church to accommodate racism and that it found the group areas act particularly offensive.</text>
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			<text>Being a gentle priest I noted that he was apparently  uncomfortable with my position and I assured him that I recognised that he stood under orders and called upon him to appreciate that in a similar way I was also compelled to be obedient  to my Bishop  and to go where the church sent me and serve  under whatever conditions they place me.</text>
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			<text>Me and the good officer then  parted on that note and with the matter then referred to the attorney general and that was my introduction to rural life within 48 hours.</text>
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			<text>Ashton, seemingly unaware of our presence, went about their business but at the same time we gradually became  aware that  we were subject of their collective scrutiny.  Our race identity  the  identity of my wife Bonita and myself were a popular topic of both black and white citizens of the area.  And they seemed to  deliberate   whether  Bonita was an American Negro, to use that term,  and as been referred to her they enquired as to whether I was  a recent convert to the Christian faith.  And I was identified as the koelie - boesman dominee.</text>
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			<text>This concern was related to me by one of my own parishioners and he seemed unaware and oblivious to the racism inherent in the town.  The first six months as a Capetonian as an urban person was a very lonely period for us. Greetings were cold and handshakes were formal as we sought our place within the rural social hierarchy.</text>
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			<text>In the hope of facilitating  my ministry I sought to conform to the established norms of that community and sadly I discovered that conformity required of me to surrender the integrity of the gospel.</text>
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			<text>I found myself easily moved to public expressions of anger, at the way young clerks at the bank, at the Post Office or even shop assistants treated me and or some other black person.</text>
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			<text>Looking back at that I found my  latter role of  patronising and to an extent  offensive in assuming that I could speak out in the defence of others who had not called upon my defence or had neither given me the authority to be their champion.  And in this silence I sensed a rebuke.</text>
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			<text>It took me a while to realise why, when the Boland exploded in popular protest a year later and to agree on a scale never witnessed before in the region.   I would look back on those first few months and realise how wrong I had been about the people especially the Coloured community.</text>
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			<text>What I had mistook  for apathy and  submissiveness  was just another means  of coping of surviving and what have been said in another time people leading lives of quiet desperation.</text>
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			<text>The towns of Montagu and Ashton are located in Breede River Valley.  Montagu on the Eastern side of the Langeberg and what is known as the Klein Karoo.</text>
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			<text>Montagu for instance thrives on tourism because of the locality of the spa and the springs farm in the area.</text>
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			<text>These towns have developed unequally both socially and economically and yet to a degree  it shared the following features:</text>
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			<text>1. THE REMNANTS OF PETTY APARTHEID</text>
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			<text>THE POST OFFICE</text>
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			<text>Clerks were all  white.  Xhosa speaking people in terms of the language were not catered for.  They had to endure the insolence of not being understood or having to struggle to communicate in Afrikaans.</text>
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			<text>HOSPITALS WERE SEGREGATED IN PRACTISE</text>
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			<text>Hospitals were segregated in practice and Montagu and Robertson people were admitted and cared for on the basis of colour.</text>
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			<text>At Montagu Hospital there were no black, that is Coloured and African sisters.  The Coloured women who employed there were nurse aides and during the events of 1990 people  who were hospitalised as a result of police action,  were often released into police custody.</text>
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			<text>Even while in hospital they were vulnerable to police harassment and intimidation.  People as result were afraid when wounded to go to hospital we often  had to smuggle people all the way to Cape Town.  On the whole  the attitude of the hospital staff towards patients and their  visitors left much room for improvement.</text>
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			<text>POLICE STATIONS</text>
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			<text>At the police stations all the senior officers were white and here racism was experienced in its most violent form both in terms of verbal abuse and physical force.  Most of the rural towns are under the local commanding officer whose  individual characteristic being either authoritarian or benevolent would  determine the kind of policing that town would receive.</text>
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			<text>MUNICIPALITIES</text>
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			<text>The municipalities  except for account payment facilities existed for black people and they were usually at the back of municipal offices.</text>
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			<text>LIVING CONDITIONS</text>
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			<text>The living conditions were saved by the fact that people were not directly represented on the local Government.  These were manifested in a myriad of spiralling social problems. </text>
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			<text>gas,  paraffin and candles showed  that the electricity would </text>
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			<text>be far more economical.</text>
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			<text>Inadequate sewerage leading to blockage and overflow onto the streets.  And this in turn creates health problems such as gastro - enteritis, TB and other bronchial problems.  High rental:The rental  seemed to be evaluated without consideration to condition of the house, the basic living expenses of the occupants and the fact that for  seven months of the year many of the people  were unemployed as this was due to the seasonal nature of the employment in the area.</text>
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			<text>And so on the ground people experienced not only that </text>
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			<text>the century what  appeared to be a collusion between </text>
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			<text>different forms of local authority, be they the  police, be they </text>
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			<text>the health authorities, be they the people within the </text>
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			<text>municipality.  As a black person you knew that if you </text>
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			<text>reprimanded a clerk for serving a white person before you, </text>
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			<text>even if that person came in behind you - that if you dared </text>
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			<text>challenge that and you could do that in the hierarchy of </text>
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			<text>apartheid somewhere along the line either yourself or </text>
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			<text>your father working at the canning factory or somewhere </text>
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			<text>along the line your cousin might end up in prison or in jail  </text>
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			<text>as a result of the consequence of your insolence - of your </text>
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			<text>daring to stand up and so people sensing another experience </text>
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			<text>at collusion refrained from obvious resistance.  </text>
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			<text>And so be they  the courts, municipality, the health care or the business, somehow  or other enclosed in that small white community and the awesome power they yielded were able to control and regulate black lives from the cradle to the grave. The background and then its conclusion to the Boland uprising of 1990 has found  in poverty and extreme social disadvantage of black Bolanders.</text>
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			<text>The history of neglect by local authorities along with the problems of unemployment, the over-crowding, the high rents  inadequate refuse removal mixed with hope denied made this region a bomb waiting to explode.</text>
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			<text>We found that in 1990 South Africa was at the crossroad, the Groote Schuur minutes and the eventual release of President Nelson Mandela raised the hopes of millions of South Africans for a peaceful transition from the Babylon of Apartheid South Africa to a non-racial democracy.</text>
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			<text>When black Bolanders came to realise that it was business as usual and that there were elements abroad in the region or in their towns who either did not wish to adapt or even accept the promise of a new day for all they had enough.</text>
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			<text>Late in June 1990 residents in Ashton, Zolani embarked on a series non violence action that set in motion and irreversible process of change.</text>
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			<text>Many months later they emerged from the bloodied brutalised but immensely proud that God had led them through own Exodus.  Reaching the other side of repression they knew for themselves that the days of baasskap were over and they  had helped to bury it. </text>
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			<text>Very fleetingly the Boland emerged on the national agenda and on the national stage of the political arena. Very soon after that our reality out here faded again into oblivion.</text>
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			<text>The drunk father coming from going back to the farm and being arrested, being brutalised and then being released again.</text>
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			<text>Young farm boys, young Afrikaners being initiated into manhood by the rape of our mothers behind some lonely koppie.</text>
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			<text>CHAIRPERSON</text>
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			<text>Thank you very much, Father.  We would like to try to see the history of the people will not be forgotten and yes, that they be in a way resurrected and we do hope that the work of this Commission will make some contribution to the healing of our people.  And we pray that God will bless us, so that we can make a new start all of us,  that each one of us can we regard a fellow human being as a brother or sister.</text>
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