hrvtrans HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, SUBMISSIONS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1997-05-06 ZEERUST LEKOLOBO N SEGOBODI JB3680 https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=56196&t=&tab=hearings https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/hrvtrans/zeerust/zeesegob.htm CHAIRPERSON Mrs Segobodi, good afternoon. MRS SEGOBODI Good afternoon. CHAIRPERSON Welcome. Can I ask you stand so that Professor Meiring can take the oath with you. PROF. MEIRING Mrs Segobodi can you please put your right hand into the air and repeat after me, everything I say will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. LEKOLOBO SEGOBODI (sworn states) PROF. MEIRING Thank you very much. You may sit down. CHAIRPERSON Miss Seroke. MISS SEROKE MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE On the 5th of January in 1991, you are coming to tell us what happened on that day when the people came, came to your house and destroyed and beaten people. Can you explain to us and explain to us in detail they way you want us to understand. MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE Mrs Nora, when those people came to your house and took your children, your son, your daughter and yourself, what did they say you did ? MRS SEGOBODI We, somebody in the family had died and I sent him to help and then he was taken by the Hippo on the road. In front of us there was a wedding. I was in that wedding and when they passed, they think we were shouting at them. I told them that we were not shouting at them but we were ululating because there is a wedding. MISS SEROKE What, were you several members of any political organisation, or yourself, a member of any particular organisation ? Where your children members of a political organisation, or yourself, a member of a political organisation ? MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE What they came there for, was that we, you were subjects to ........... Segobodi ? MRS SEGOBODI Yes. MISS SEROKE Was Kosi Segobodi deposed of his Chieftanship ? MRS SEGOBODI No, we knew him as our Chief. We just heard from those policemen that he was deposed as a Chief. MISS SEROKE Who was placed on his behalf as a Chief ? MRS SEGOBODI The Chief is Segobodi. MISS SEROKE Was Chief Segobodi loyal to Chief Mangope ? MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE Are you related to Chief Segobodi ? MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE Just the surname is the same ? MRS SEGOBODI Yes. MISS SEROKE MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE Let me repeat my questions. You wanted to have South African I.D. books. MRS SEGOBODI We had them all the time. MISS SEROKE MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE The police who came to your house, were they South African, Boputhatswana Government, were they just trying to, to observe what was happening in the township or was something happening ? MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE You said when you left, when you left the cell, you said your son was left in the cells for two weeks. You said when you were released, did you take, did you lay a charge against the police ? MRS SEGOBODI We, we went to the lawyer. MISS SEROKE Who was your lawyer then ? MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE Did your case, did your case appear in court ? MRS SEGOBODI No. MISS SEROKE MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE What are they doing in Johannesburg ? MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE With whom are you staying ? MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE MRS SEGOBODI MISS SEROKE But your Chief is Segobodi. MRS SEGOBODI CHAIRPERSON HEARING ADJOURNS