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	<systype>decisions</systype>
	<type>AMNESTY DECISIONS</type>
				<names>THAMSANQA OLIVER  MALI,LINDILE  JONI STEMELA</names>
	<case>AC/99/0234</case>
	<matter>AM 0124/96,AM 0125/96</matter>
				<decision>GRANTED/REFUSED</decision>
	<url>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/hearing.php?id=58912&amp;t=&amp;tab=hearings</url>
	<originalhtml>https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/originals/decisions/1999/ac990234.htm</originalhtml>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>DECISION</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>______________________________________________________</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Both applicants who committed the acts together with two others of whom the one died in prison and another escaped  from prison, were convicted of murder, two attempted murders and attempted  robbery, and are serving sentences of 25 years imprisonment. Both gave oral evidence at the hearing. From the evidence  presented  at the hearing  the following  factual  background  can be  constructed and this  has been accepted  by the Committee as  being  common cause.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>One Xolani Ncinane, who has since  died in prison, and  the first applicant were former MK members. They were in need of weapons  and raised  this issue in a meeting with  the late  Chris Hani some time before the incident.  Hani gave them a mandate to look  for firearms from the farmers. The said Ncinane, who was  the head  of the operation, obtained  information  from the second  applicant that the deceased had arms.  This information inter alia the first applicant, in turn, obtained from one Sammy a former  employee of the deceased.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Ncinane, the first and second applicant and one Kenneth Gabayi after extensive reconnaissance of the farm planned the operation  and carried out the attack during which Mr de Villiers was killed. The deceased was shot by  Xolani Ncinane whilst  Kenneth Gabayi shot in the direction of the house at the family members who were  however, not hurt.  Thereafter they ran away, fearing that an alarm had been raised by the  family members. They were arrested a few  days later.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>The evidence of the two applicants differed substantially in  regard to certain  material matters  such as  the structure of their alleged SDU and events prior  to attack, which  discrepancies, in our opinion, impact on the question of whether the attack was planned and carried out with a political objective or not. In considering  these  differences  it became  clear  to the Committee  that whereas the first applicant, with the exception of the actual  day  of the meeting,  was held  where Hani was present and some  minor and non-material respects were consistent in the presentation of his evidence and his replies  in cross-examination. There  were discrepancies in the first applicant&#039;s  evidence. We do not, however, consider such discrepancies material to the  requirement of full disclosure. The same cannot be said in respect  of the second  applicant. The latter contradicted  himself  and his  co-applicant  in some important respects, to such an extent that  their legal representative and the second applicant were at one stage visibly  shaken by the evidence.  He was a bad witness and extremely evasive.  He was also rather vague about his training, the structure of the unit and in the opinion of the Committee, he did not disclose to the Committee the full knowledge he had obtained from his cousin, Sammy, about  Mr de Villiers.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>The Committee finds it highly improbable that he was not  furnished with any other  information  than merely that the farmer  had firearms as stated in paragraph 3 of his affidavit. </text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>The Committee is further of the opinion that the second  applicant  had a  hidden  agenda,  namely an interest to rob money in going to Mr de Villier&#039;s farm and that, despite any political objective  he may have shared with his comrades, he had gone there in an attempt to obtain more than just arms and that his primary aim was to  enrich himself.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Insofar as the first applicant is concerned, the Committee is satisfied that the only knowledge he had, related  to the firearms. The information  about Mr de Villiers was conveyed to the late  Xolani who was the head of the operation and the second  applicant participated in the operation  in the bona fide belief that the intention  was to  obtain  arms.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>It may be argued  that the fact  that the  formal  structures  of the ANC  did not confirm the meeting  held  with  the late  Chris Hani should be regarded as a negative factor weighing against  the first applicant. The letter does not categorically state that no meeting  was held with Hani. The Committee is satisfied that the  evidential  value of the letter is simply  proof  of the existence  of  the letter and not truth of the contents, since no evidence was tendered to prove the letter&#039;s veracity.  This Committee is, however,  aware of similar evidence  in regard to the late Hani in other matters. We accept and take cognisance of the establishment of the SDUs and the general  instructions to obtain  arms  inter alia  from the farmers  did indeed  emanate from him. </text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Accordingly the first applicant, Thamsanqa Oliver Mali is GRANTED  amnesty for the  following offences:- </text>
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			<text></text>
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			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>The evidence before us does not show  that the  second  applicant  in killing the deceased was only to obtain arms to achieve a political objective but merely  for  pecuniary  interest.</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>We are, therefore,  satisfied that the second applicant has not met the requirements set out in Section 20(2) and (3) respectively and his application for amnesty is REFUSED. </text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text></text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>Signed on the ...................... day of .................................. 1999</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>....................................</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>JUDGE  S. KHAMPEPE</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>........................................</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>ADV. FJ. BOSMAN</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>.......................................</text>
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			<speaker></speaker>
			<text>ADV. NJ. MOTATA</text>
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