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A-Team (Chesterville, Durban)Explanation Showing 781 to 800 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 35 •36 •37 •38 •39 •40 •41 •42 •43 Next Page•Last PageMR DE KOCK: Chairperson, when I took over, I put together a construction group which was under the command of Warrant Officer Van der Bijl and he had his own team. He took members from the public which were cleared and they were appointed as HQ sources, they were not HQ sources though but this was ... MR ROSSOUW: There was also co-operation between your team and the Security Police in KwaNdebele? MR MALINDI: Thank you, Chairperson. It's Malindi, M-a-l-i-n-d-i, I represent the victims. I appear with my attorney, Mr Koopedi, who is not in at the moment but will be joining this team later during the course of the day. MR NEL: Is it correct that your task was simply to be part of, what you would refer to as a support team, who remained inside South Africa? MR VISSER: Do you accept from the Investigating Team from the TRC that there were two people who were injured? MR BOTHA: Mr Chairperson, I can't remember, but I think that that information was given to the Investigative Team. There was a dossier with that information contained in it. He is applying for amnesty as an accessory after the fact and for defeating the ends of justice. He did not partake in the planning of this particular attack or took part in the execution of the murders. He was, however, aware that a murder was planned and visited the scene thereafter without ... We thank our Eastern Cape colleagues, Commissioner, Commissioner Bongani Finca and all his colleagues in this region for their very hard work, demonstrating that I head up a team of outstanding persons as Commissioners and Committee members, some of whom are here with me today. MR POTGIETER: Thank you, you may be seated. Welcome to George as well. Mr Lizo, your evidence relates to two incidents. The first one concerns an incident which happened between 1986 and 1987 where you were arrested and tortured by the police, and the second incident relates to August 1993 when ... Those who are working in our investigation team they will bring all the evidence that Sipho Madlala has brought forward. We will see if we can do something. And another thing that you've requested it's help about counselling, you need psychological help, counselling or therapy. Are you still ... The incident occurred while a team of Vlakplaas members was assisting the Nelspruit Security Branch. The team were led by Captain Baker and consisted further of Lieutenant Van Dyk, Sergeant Nofemela and Constable Nicholas Dube. MR GREYLING: I wouldn't be able to say what took place in the bakkie, whatever was discussed or speculated there, I was part of the ambush team. MR LAMEY: Chairperson yes, it may possibly also extend that far. He as a policeman strictly speaking - I didn't think of that for the moment, but strictly legally speaking as a policeman he should have been in a position to report unlawful acts by superiors. Chairperson, in that regard as far as ... MR KHAULELA: That one, I cannot answer because, like I said earlier on, I was still young when he got arrested. When he came back I stayed only with him two years and then I left him behind, but the thing is this, from the people who worked with him, like those missing three figures in Eastern ... Then I suggested to Mr Sekanyele that we must go to report the matter to the mine security police and we discussed that. We decided against that, because it was clear that amongst the leadership of the group, some of them were mine security officers, like one whose name is Dhlamini, one of them ... - she was called Mrs Nxumalo, and Mrs Nxumalo's son - she described to me the state of the body. It had had acid poured over the head so there was no skin left on the head. It was just a skull. The body was not decomposed. The mothers thought that the boys had been kept somewhere and then, ... De Kock's legal representative then put it to him: "I understand that, but it seems to me that he had already chosen his team and the destination had been determined?" The answer was "That is correct". MR STEENKAMP: He was part of the Special Investigation Team to investigate certain cases in which you were involved, is that correct? CHAIRPERSON: Because even the name is something that indicates good intentions, I mean peace-makers and yet not much is known about them. We are going to ask our investigating team to try and find out more about these peace-makers. It is common cause, Mr Chairman, that they were members of the state security forces. It is common cause that at some instance some of them were commanded and at one instance one of them was in command of an interrogation team. It is common cause also that, as I have stated before their ... |
