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A-Team (OFS)Explanation MR MALINDI: Chairperson, all I'm trying to do is to take Mr Mokhele through some of the arguments he makes in his statement. I don't intend to spend very long on the statement and I'm introducing the witness for the benefit of the Committee and Chairperson, as I may have indicated, our team and ... Again and his team for providing a security. Police investigations into the Seven Day War: . Investigations of reported cases arising from the conflict were done by the Riot Investigation Unit under the command of Senior Superintendent Upton, consisting of 27 members. It is clear from the number of incidents that took place that only a very ... MR ROSSOUW: Mr Oosthuizen, at the incident where Mr Piet Ntuli died in this bomb explosion, could you just tell the Committee, at that stage you were with the Special Investigation Team in KwaNdebele, what did you do there and what was the purpose of your investigation there? MR FOURIE: Mr de Kock and I - I was his driver that month, we were in Zeerust where we were visiting a team and Mr de Kock then told me that there had been a telephone call that we had to go to Krugersdorp because Col le Roux required assistance there with an incident. Since it remains integral, we therefore are of the opinion that there is a potential disadvantage, should this opportunity not be granted. I want to bring it to the attention of the Committee that I have spoken telephonically to Captain Holmes, who had been the Investigative Officer in the ... "PJS and Verryn met with crisis team again at 3 p.m." MR POTGIETER: Let me put it to you like this. Well, we are not using the record of the Section 29 investigation, but there was some form of hysteria surrounding the informers of that time. And persons who had been detained, who had contact with Mrs Mandela, that would be her soccer club, were ... MR VAN ZYL: Yes, he wanted to continue with this matter. I was not surprised that they could not complete the first incident. If you take the other four members of the team, they have never seen those premises before, it was just a question that he wanted to test me and to establish whether they ... And it happened to me in the Harms Commission that at some stage I stayed away from the Harms Commission when I had to lead evidence because I said that I had a problem with the Harms Commission and then the government, by 10 o'clock that evening, would tell me that they would withdraw my legal ... If I may turn finally to the transformation of the bank. The water shed event in the history of the DBSA was the announcement in December 1994 by the then deputy Minister of Finance, Alec Irwin, of the formation of a transformation team under the chairmanship of Prof Nkushlu. So the way we took, and which I think was the basis of Mr Hlope's judgment, was in any case was the basis of the arguments on behalf of the TRC, is that we can find a mid-way which is, let's break his right to silence, but protect him against the disadvantageous effect thereof, and that this does ... CHAIRPERSON:: When you were doing this were the other members of the investigation team present, some or all of them? Or were you alone, one on one, just you and Mr Posiwa? MR MORINGER: There was a team seconded from Transkei Military Intelligence. As I said earlier, the whole operation took I think about four months and during this period, the team that was in Johannesburg, respectively in Pretoria, changed from time to time, but if I recall correctly the team was ... MR LAX: Alright. And then in the interview with our staff, our Investigation Team, Mr Khoisan and Mr Petersen, do you remember you had an interview with them in August 1997? Zenzile Khoisan and Deon Petersen, from our office. front of you as a coordinated team of the Security Council. MR CORNELIUS: And I think a Judgment has already been passed with regard to that. You also gave your full co-operation to the investigative team of the TRC. GEN JOUBERT: After we had identified the three flash point commands, we divided two teams. The one team we sent to the Northern Transvaal under the command of Brigadier Cronje and the other team under the command of Naude. MR MOOSA: So how do you explain this which you have incorporated as part of your statement, what other members of Mr du Plessis' team are being here referred to? MR BARNARD: Mr Chairperson, during my detention under Section 29, they appointed a legal team, I had no control over this. After my release from the Section 29 detention and the Harms Commission that followed on that, the situation continued, people were appointed to me. It was not Mr du Plessis ... |
