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Operation Zero ZeroExplanation Showing 981 to 1000 of 1009 First Page•Previous Page 43 •44 •45 •46 •47 •48 •49 •50 •51 Next Page•Last PageMR BLOSE: No, not at all. That was mainly to avoid the leakage of information and also to protect the operation so everything was compartmentalised. MR BOOYENS: And as far as you are concerned, if the Vlakplaas operation was disclosed it would be an effective piece of machinery, according to you perception, possibly it would have rendered it useless and so on, is that correct? ...(transcriber's interpretation) ... that his general instructions were to seek, identify and attack the enemy, as well as to train other cadres and to command them in whatever operation that was being embarked upon. Applicant testified that on 21st January 1993 he commanded a unit of APLA cadres to attack policemen working ... "Look, we've got our target, the policeman" and an hour later they have their weapons and they go into the house. It just seems that to arrange an operation like this, there had to be some form of planning and it seems clear, Chairperson, that yes, Mr Andrew Chauke did go to that house, he did ... MR VAN DYK: That is correct. I wouldn't say that his courage failed him completely, I think perhaps he didn't want to carry on with the operation, but after we spoke we then together, both of us went to the wooden house. CHAIRPERSON: I understand that this was not a matter of a simple interpretation, but it required the co-operation of a number of people including the applicant, but I gather we are now satisfied with the version that has been put up and we should, perhaps, mark it 35A so that it can go into the ... MR VISSER: He also said that after he had committed this task in co-operation with Mamome and Ramouseau, he reported back and you were not satisfied that they did not remove enough articles from that house and that you thought he had to remove more articles from that house to simulate a break-in. ... Mr Chairperson, Hugo on behalf of Mr de Kock. De Kock also applied for amnesty with regards to the Khanya House incident. He was in charge of the operation and I can tell you for record purposes, he did not say that General van der Merwe or Vlok gave any instructions. He is not going to say ... in order to induce submission to the taking of the vehicle and a shot went off unexpectedly. He was not aware that the gun was cocked. During this operation, the applicant was accompanied by people he only knew as Daizer Xaba and John ... ... wing of the ANC and received military training under the auspices of MK. At the conclusion of his military training, Applicant joined the Special Operations Unit of MK in Lusaka, Zambia. After discussions with the then commanders of the Special Operations Unit, Aboobaker Ismail and Johannes ... ... to them so that they should be ... (inaudible) ... in the process, in the ongoing process. Those people should continue when your term of an operation comes to an end as at the end of this year, so that those people, the church and others, especially those which are influential, should ... the persons inside the shop. They escaped from the scene in their vehicle which waited for them outside the shop. They reported the success of the operation to Mtambo and also returned the weapons which he supplied. The Applicants and Mbambo were subsequently arrested and tried. Mbambo was ... ... returned to Beaufort West. After approximately two weeks, he was informed that one "Mandla" (an alias) would be sent from Umtata to assist in the operation. He showed Mandla the layout of the area and briefed him about the plan for the attack. There is some doubt as to who Mandla is/was as ... ... two organisations seem to be working together, at both national and provincial levels and it cannot be controverted that the existing spirit of co-operation and apparent desire to bury the hatchet has gradually filtered down to their followers and respective constituencies. In the result there ... After the operation, I told this policeman that we did not do anything, there was no need for him to guard us and he left. I stayed in the hospital for three weeks and after that I was sent to prison. I stayed for three months in prison and I was released but had to go and report to the police ... ... us. Even if the arrests happened before we achieved our objective. It was in 1985 when we were still planning to bring the consumer boycott into operation, as we know that even before Judas Iscariot was there. I was arrested on the 12th of September, and therefore our plans to continue with ... ADV GCABASHE: So when you were in command of a particular operation you never split up into sub-groups, it's this one group that would follow the IFP chaps who had been attacking you, one group? Mr Makura, in this operation, were you carry out orders? So can I please ask for your co-operation in that regard. Was that the other point? MR ALBERTS: Now you have already expressed your sentiments during the previous application concerning the unfortunate consequences that this type of operation held. Do you stand by that too for the present purposes or not? |
