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people's warExplanation CHAIRPERSON: He told you to consider the establishment of an arms cache so that this would serve as a reason to attack people or property in Botswana? CHAIRPERSON: Would it be your submission therefore that though the order was for the killing of Mr Tiledi, that your client should have foreseen the possible injury or even death of the people who were inside the shop, that being Mimi Matsani and Boy Mokoena? DR RANDERA: I would like to say that there are people here today who have come to make statements. If there are, please if you can go through that entrance at any time during the day of over the next three days. Statement takers are present and will be able to take your statements today and over ... 1. The murder of three people, to wit, Peter Schroeder, Shirley Ethnè Brummer and James Tsemane; I was just a laughing matter. People were just laughing at me. At school I cannot participate as much as I would like to. I fail all the time. I repeat every standard five times. CHAIRPERSON: Now I don't know if you want everybody else to return their present bundles to you. I don't think the people who are going to prepare affidavits and other documents, can do so, I think they will need to keep them, but we have returned ours - well my Members of my Committee have. Okay. forgiven him. This is the kind of life that I am now leading. My mom is here with me and she is also sick. She witnessed the whole thing as I was in the hospital. That is at Sebokeng Hospital. And she was running up and down. We have been to doctors and she said with the grace of God you will ... DR RANDERA: I would like to say that there are people here today who have come to make statements. If there are, please if you can go through that entrance at any time during the day of over the next three days. Statement takers are present and will be able to take your statements today and over ... CHAIRPERSON: The next witness, could those people who are leaving please keep as quiet as possible. Now are we to understand from this firstly, that there were experiments done on animals and in people, and in fact it was used in a combat situation, the incapacitant which was made up of, amongst other things, methaqualone? At this meeting we made the decision that the facility of Serache must be attacked by the Defence Force and that the people would be killed. "We noticed certain white people in civilian clothes assaulting some black street hawkers with sjambocks." Sir, as I understand you correctly, you only saw two people assaulting the deceased, am I right? DR RANDERA: Maybe, whilst we’re deciding people can just take a stand up and ...... MR NEL: No, the names stated in my application are the people that I do remember. There were other people as well, as I've stated in number 5. I think there were more people there, but I can't remember who they were. MR MOGAPI: Mr Viljoen is not right when he says many people were armed. When we arrived, it was - it was a lot of people, it was chaotic and the taking of the money happened in a very short time. I think he thought there might have been many people, yet it was only one person who had a firearm. CHAIRPERSON: Before we commence this morning, gentlemen, there are one or two matters that I would like to deal with and I would like to make it clear, we haven't pre-judged the issues in any way, but have you applied your minds to the question of the real relevance, as to whether somebody who is ... MR MANTHATA: Ngoako Ramalepe was an SRC president at Motcheche College of Education in 1985. One day in the area of Gabane where there was a youth march organized by the youth in Gabane. At the end of the march during that day, the policemen appeared and they came to approach the people who were ... MR KHWEZA: You say Bobbie was with two other people. Do you know who were they? MR KHUMALO: I will say that at that time, I was staying at the offices in Ulundi. Mhlanduna arrived with others and he asked if there are people, or whether there were people who wanted to go to Claremont to Mr Yamile's house and guard there because the situation was quite bad. |
