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people's warExplanation MR NEL: No, the names stated in my application are the people that I do remember. There were other people as well, as I've stated in number 5. I think there were more people there, but I can't remember who they were. MR SIMELANE: Let me start off with the first one. As I was a member of the SDU we were divided into cells and sometimes there would be 10 to 15 people within a cell and each cell had a commander and there was an area commander as well as a central commander. MR KHWEZA: You say Bobbie was with two other people. Do you know who were they? MR MOGAPI: Mr Viljoen is not right when he says many people were armed. When we arrived, it was - it was a lot of people, it was chaotic and the taking of the money happened in a very short time. I think he thought there might have been many people, yet it was only one person who had a firearm. CHAIRPERSON: Before we commence this morning, gentlemen, there are one or two matters that I would like to deal with and I would like to make it clear, we haven't pre-judged the issues in any way, but have you applied your minds to the question of the real relevance, as to whether somebody who is ... MR KHUMALO: I will say that at that time, I was staying at the offices in Ulundi. Mhlanduna arrived with others and he asked if there are people, or whether there were people who wanted to go to Claremont to Mr Yamile's house and guard there because the situation was quite bad. MR BOOYENS: Did you then give the radio signal that the people were being led in? I asked for his clothes which they wouldn't give to me. I then went home. Then I told people there that they had told me when to have his funeral. JUDGE DE JAGER: Why do you say he practised a bad medicine, what did he do that was so bad? Because some people are doing good things, some bad, what did he do that you considered to be bad medicine tradition? MR NEL: Now if we may move on to paragraph 10. Immediately you say there that originally you were under the impression that four people were killed, but having heard the evidence and having read the other applications, you realised that only three members, or three people were in fact killed in ... MR DU PLESSIS: And it was not strange for you to receive instructions from the people from the Natal Security Branch? MR NGXONGO: I was in Sipiwe's company and he was going to introduce me to Mrs Umbiasi. She was supposed to know that I was one of the people who were working with Sipiwe in Durban South Region where Sipiwe was the head or the commander. MR MODIKOA: I did not know as to whether there were other people in the house but we knew that Sibongele was in the house but we did not know as to whether there were other people in the house. MR SIMELANE: Nokuthula disappeared in 1983. She was attending at the University of Swaziland. Just when we were preparing to go and attend her graduation, that is when we discovered that she has disappeared and nowhere to be found. We searched all over for Nokuthula and we never found Nokuthula. ... that was emanating from King Williamstown, Victoria grounds. We were going to Bisho. It was at about 11 o'clock. We went up using the main road towards King Williamstown to Bisho. On the way to King Williamstown on the sides there were police and soldiers of the Republic of South Africa. I ... MS MKHIZE: Can I ask Mrs Marge Nkomo to come forward please. Mrs Nkomo, I would like to welcome you and I must apologise, you are one of those people who have been here, I must apologise it has been a long day for you, but I thank you for your patience and in welcoming you, I would just make one ... MR MUDAU: It was by the time when the deceased was starting to fight with the people. MR KRUGER: I was definitely not the first to shoot. To my right were people who started MR RORICH: We had information by means of our sources and we knew these people from physical observations which we did in Swaziland from time to time. MR MAJOVA: No, in Thlabani they had none, we went there together. When we were getting there for the second time, when I went there, we went to the Shell House people where they also gathered information. |
