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self-defence units (SDUs)Explanation Showing 681 to 700 of 808 First Page•Previous Page 31 •32 •33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 •39 Next Page•Last PageMR VENTER: The point I'm trying to make is that there were APLA members who had been trained in Tanzania and these people were trained to be combat units, combat machines and they surely would have been in the front line to try and obtain funds for APLA. Do you agree with that? MR KHUBEKA: I think I had been a member of IFP long ago, because my mother used to own IFP, or run IFP drama units(?), before the IFP had these five colours on their logos, then they had only three colours, that is when I took full membership of the IFP. ADV GCABASHE: Were you the first SDU unit to arrive at that place, or did the other units get there before you? Now, you came back to South Africa and you were sent by the MK leaders to terrorise - to mobilise and train the units. Did you get any opportunity to do that, or you were arrested even before you tried? --- Oh, there was a spy, a traitor, who came by and all my mission fell apart. ... operation. We find it difficult to accept that it was the practice of members of the Security Police to participate in operations outside their units without the approval of their immediate commander, and the applicant has not given evidence to this effect. It is our view that the applicant ... MR J F KOK: Chairperson, we were one section within the unit, we were the mechanical section within the unit. I cannot recall what the total was, but we worked on a Head Office basis on a national level, and then there were branches in the regions as well, with smaller units. MR MNISI: The MK units, for instance if you've been given four or three people and you are the fourth or the fifth one, it will be taken that you are the commander as you go and undertake the operation. It's not taken for granted that you will be the commander for the rest of that time. ADV GCABASHE: They are, just to get this right again, they are the people who formed part of the overall committee that was guiding all the units in Tokoza. The central committee is what they called it, I think. GEN COETZEE: Any person present. I personally, and I don't wish to lengthen this, I heard that there were army units which were also deployed there in the vicinity. At the meeting of CIC, I saw in the minutes that there were members of Military Intelligence present. That is another question to ... MR VISSER: Yes. And is it your experience also that some of the members of units, were active in more than one unit at any one time? ... in South Africa, his later training in Angola and his connections with the late Chris Hani. After his return to South Africa all underground units of MK assembled to meet with Hani. He, as the Unit Commander, and his unit members, Lincoln, Wiseman and Mabuja (all three since deceased) were ... ... needs protection from them. They are professionals, they haven't disappeared, some of them have gone into other jobs, there are some other dirty units in the police that collect ... "1. All unrest units have been issued with sneeze and smoke machines and should have sufficient teargas and fluids to operate the machine effectively. one of those who participated in the concept of operation butterfly, that he discussed it with other leaders and that they then gave instructions to units who were to go back into the country, into Natal and set up organisations to carry out all the aims of Operation Butterfly, all the objects ... ... and he was also very active inside South Africa around the Soweto area which made our work quite difficult in a sense that around that time many units which were operating in the country were either arrested or they were actually drawn into a situation whereby there could be crossfire with the ... ... at that stage he was allocated with his Battalion Group to provide medical support to Special Forces and to Parabats and to other police service units, which was another possibility that I certainly contemplated could have been used. But I was not so bold as to conclude immediately that he ... ... available. I'm saying this in light of a conference held at Oudtshoorn in the late eighties, when there were still three or four such Vlakplaas units to be formed. The commanders and divisional commanders with right wanted immediate 24 hour availability for their own ... ADV SANDI: Therefore there was no conflict between these two Units? CAPT KHOJA: The barracks was distributing post to different Units, it was myself or Ngo himself. A certain team was elected from the Security Police and some members from other units, compiling the team who was going to be in charge of this, look for the people who were planning to overthrow the government. I was one of the members of the team. |