self-protection units (SPUs)

Everybody observed that as a fight between Zulu's and Xhosa's. On that meeting of the ANC Youth League, they said that amongst the members of the ANC Youth League and I was also the Chairperson of the Slovo Section, that we must form Self Defence Units.

MR BERGER: But you said if that was to be undertaken you would have expected one of the Military units, and not the Police, to conduct such a raid. Do you remember that?

MR LAMEY: Would it be correct to say that it would be unsafe to interview, to get information from informers at the Police Units, at Soweto Security Branch and so on?

MR SALOOJEE: As I've indicated, I was the Head of Regional Ordinance, with the responsibility for infiltrating weapons into the country. Obviously in that position I had a number of operatives and units working under my command.

... specifications of security legislation. For example they were charged under the Criminal Procedures Act and they were perhaps transferred to other units where these people were wanted. It was purely an administrative action and I would not know about that, only later on, they would have ...

MR NAUDE: He told us that because of the political situation in South Africa, the necessity had arisen that we be divided to SAP units and we had to act in support of the Northern Transvaal Commando and the Wits Commando. I was devolved to the Wits Commando.

... in the light of similar concerns raised in the Katzen documents, this points to the modus operandi within the SADF's specialist forces and task units. ...

MS VILAKAZI: Now how many units were operating in your unit. Do you have any information on that?

MR FERNANDEZ: At C-Section we operated in two units. The one was the Defectors' Section and the other was the Investigating Team. Both these sections fell beneath the command of Capt Cloete.

ADV GCABASHE: With regard to other Intelligence services operating in Swaziland, Military Intelligence or any other units from the PWV area, who were you in contact with? Who did you co-ordinate your activities with?

MR MGXAJI: You agree with me that the men who were with Mr Mapipa in the van, were not APLA members, nor Third Force Units as Mzwandile advised you, do you agree with me that those people had no reason to be shot at by you? There was no political reason to be shot at by you? What do you say to ...

MR RAMMUSI: Political as well as military units.

MR BAKER: No Mr Chairman, this was done by specialised units within the Security Branch.

"At all relevant times to date, since January 1 1974, I was a member of the Permanent Force and an officer involved with various units of the SANDF."

He pointed out that he was very impress with the reservations that we had had on the document For the Sake of Our Lives, that is the document that deals with the establishment of community based Self Defence Units.

4.    The supplying of ammunition stored at Vlakplaas to other units of the South African Police during the period that the Applicant was stationed at Vlakplaas;

Mr Xundu, I notice that at paragraph 8, immediately before the one you are on at the moment, you say that units were only formed for specific operations. Was a specific unit set up for this operation? Would you like to tell us about that?

MR BLACK: You say that you've always supported the African National Congress and in 1986 you became an active member of the self-defence units at Secunda?

MS CAMBANIS: You've already told the Committee that you were at the time a member of Umkhonto weSizwe and a member of the Self-Defence Units.

"Many of the established MK units had been allowed a degree of initiative in executing their operations as long as they remained within the policy guidelines."