self-protection units (SPUs)

MR BERGER: But you said if that was to be undertaken you would have expected one of the Military units, and not the Police, to conduct such a raid. Do you remember that?

MR WILLIAMSON: Well I don't know whether it wouldn't have included, Mr Chairman, because if one of the intelligence gathering units somewhere was doing his job and something happened in Swaziland or Lesotho or wherever it was and some ANC people were killed, and a source reported that being, even ...

MR LAX: You spoke about in the hostel you were divided up into units when you said that the people in your unit were Zwele and - I can't remember who the other person was - Buthelezi?

MR NAUDE: He told us that because of the political situation in South Africa, the necessity had arisen that we be divided to SAP units and we had to act in support of the Northern Transvaal Commando and the Wits Commando. I was devolved to the Wits Commando.

MR SHAIK: No, I wouldn't say that it was part of the ANC policy, as per se. I would say that in that instance I perceived that the Self Defence Units given the situation that existed in townships at the time, were using those weapons to defend themselves against Inkatha led or Inkatha orientated ...

MR HATTINGH: Can you tell the Committee, apart from the applicants whose names appear in the documents, were there any other members of police units who were involved in this incident?

"Many of the established MK units had been allowed a degree of initiative in executing their operations as long as they remained within the policy guidelines."

"We were regarded as Self Defence Units."

MR BLACK: You say that you've always supported the African National Congress and in 1986 you became an active member of the self-defence units at Secunda?

MR RAMMUSI: Political as well as military units.

"At all relevant times to date, since January 1 1974, I was a member of the Permanent Force and an officer involved with various units of the SANDF."

MR BAKER: No Mr Chairman, this was done by specialised units within the Security Branch.

MR MGXAJI: You agree with me that the men who were with Mr Mapipa in the van, were not APLA members, nor Third Force Units as Mzwandile advised you, do you agree with me that those people had no reason to be shot at by you? There was no political reason to be shot at by you? What do you say to ...

... specifications of security legislation. For example they were charged under the Criminal Procedures Act and they were perhaps transferred to other units where these people were wanted. It was purely an administrative action and I would not know about that, only later on, they would have ...

MR BELLINGAN: If I understand the Chairperson correctly, other Units were used for their own operations?

MR ROSSOUW: And am I correct in saying that one would have expected this to be among persons who were members of operational units that this is where such terminology would be applied?

... you are going to give us an insight into what was happening to young people in the area and what happened to them as they joined the Self Defence Units in the East Rand, thank you very ...

(Angola, Botswana, Lesotho, Mozambique, Swaziland, Tansania, UK, Zambia and Zimbabwe Representatives of the NAT Regional Directorate of the Internal Units or Operatives Commanders of MK training camps, Samafco, and detention/rehabilitation centers (Quadro) ...

... That the words that he, Mr Raven had ascribed to Williamson in his affidavit, namely that the Schoon's used their children as "bomb disposal units", were not necessarily Mr Williamson's words, but that he could not remember clearly the source from which these words had come, that it is all ...

He pointed out that he was very impress with the reservations that we had had on the document For the Sake of Our Lives, that is the document that deals with the establishment of community based Self Defence Units.