self-protection units (SPUs)

Everybody observed that as a fight between Zulu's and Xhosa's. On that meeting of the ANC Youth League, they said that amongst the members of the ANC Youth League and I was also the Chairperson of the Slovo Section, that we must form Self Defence Units.

... instances where people would fight over girlfriends and turn the information around thereafter and therefore all the members of the self defence units had to be able to gather information if a person had evidence about a certain information, that was ...

MR MALAN: But you said Unit B only Black Power units? Is the ANC a Black structure? Is AZAPO a Black structure?

(Angola, Botswana, Lesotho, Mozambique, Swaziland, Tansania, UK, Zambia and Zimbabwe Representatives of the NAT Regional Directorate of the Internal Units or Operatives Commanders of MK training camps, Samafco, and detention/rehabilitation centers (Quadro) ...

MR LAX: You spoke about in the hostel you were divided up into units when you said that the people in your unit were Zwele and - I can't remember who the other person was - Buthelezi?

... and as the struggle developed, in many instances there was no way in which we could keep track of the activities of individual operatives and units in the country and that they carried out actions which we did not know about which they did not report and so it is quite possible yes, what ...

perhaps, have related to one of the other units, but I did not have knowledge of that and I cannot remember

... raised in the evidence must be weighed against the following. It must be born in mind, according to Thwala, Simelane was in one of his units and apparently an important one at that, her being the leader of the Vaal One Cell, because that certainly is the impression that his evidence ...

MR BERGER: But you said if that was to be undertaken you would have expected one of the Military units, and not the Police, to conduct such a raid. Do you remember that?

MR LAMEY: Would it be correct to say that it would be unsafe to interview, to get information from informers at the Police Units, at Soweto Security Branch and so on?

MR SHAIK: No, I wouldn't say that it was part of the ANC policy, as per se. I would say that in that instance I perceived that the Self Defence Units given the situation that existed in townships at the time, were using those weapons to defend themselves against Inkatha led or Inkatha orientated ...

... these Street Committees were put on the alert and the matters were closely monitored. It is during this period that the residents of the aforesaid units bona fide believed that the "Killer Boys" were agents of the Security Forces. This belief was further reinforced by the fact that although the ...

MR MBAMBO: Again in 1994, March 1994, I joined one of the Units under Mr Jimmy Jones as a Commander, that went on, there were fights and we were undertaking operations. I don't want to lie to you, I never enquired about this armed struggle as I heard it through the radio media and why the people ...

... three bombs would be the large explosions that occurred and in the Western Transvaal there would be more bombs. Beforehand we discussed that other units of the AWB would continue but that never occurred though Mr ...

MR MFALAPITSA: yes, because I was in charge of logistics for these military units and in charge of ordinance, their weaponry, so I used to go between them and the officials, so anything that was to come from the officials to them, or from them to the officials, was conveyed by me, or through me.

To applicant's knowledge no person was injured or killed as a result of his activities. These units were established for future usage in overthrowing the then South African Government.

MR BERGER: Why is there not a mention in your statement at 210(H) to (I), not a word about the self defence units, why is that?

CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS THABETHE: On paragraph 2 of your supplementary affidavit you talk about the material which was going to be used in home made weapons for Self Defence Units. How were you going to defend yourselves? Sorry, let me start here. Who was going to make these home made weapons?

MR RAMMUSI: Political as well as military units.

Mr Xundu, I notice that at paragraph 8, immediately before the one you are on at the moment, you say that units were only formed for specific operations. Was a specific unit set up for this operation? Would you like to tell us about that?