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A-Team (Chesterville, Durban)Explanation Showing 601 to 620 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 27 •28 •29 •30 •31 •32 •33 •34 •35 Next Page•Last PageMR ROSSOUW: You then mention a number of people, Colonel Victor, Nic Deetlefs, Fleischman, Brits and At van Niekerk. Is it correct that they were members of the investigation team and you don't mean that they actually knew of the operation beforehand? MR GOOSEN: That is correct, we were talking about that specific aspect. I was not aware that they were part of the Special Investigative Unit. I was not aware of such an investigative team and as I saw their involvement it was that they came from Murder and Robbery. Mr Chairman, regarding the Chand incident, the only issues to be addressed on behalf of Gen Engelbrecht are the following allegations by Mr De Kock. The first is that Engelbrecht was present when Van Rensburg instructed him, that is De Kock, to proceed with the attack and thereby associating ... I informed Ndaba the evening of Nyanda and the others' arrests and he was visibly upset because of the news. Because of these arrests which had taken place, I accompanied Gen Steyn on Friday the 13th to Pretoria for further information and instructions. It was decided to establish a national ... The team which went out on the mission to kill Mr Kunene were, Nduna Maphumulo; Mbomseni Gimba; Mtu and the applicant. The applicant was instructed that he should make sure that he also shoots Mr Kunene as part of his learning experience. This was the applicant's first such mission. "Yes there were. We came out of different experiences. And we viewed things through different perspectives, especially you take the question of apartheid in sport. If the South African selectors decided to include a token black in their rugby team, the black members of staff would have said so and ... CHAIRMAN: So in your team it could happen that if someone was killed at any certain place, you would not get together at the end of the day and share your reports with each other? ADV POTGIETER: Thank you to our esteemed team leader. Good afternoon, Mrs Nthoroane. We realise that although this incident happened in 1989, some years ago, it still is obviously quite a difficult and a painful experience for you. I would like you to tell the story so that we can take note of ... Before I introduce the team on my left and on my right, I just want to remind ourselves I suppose of the overall aims of the Commission. A Commission which is dedicated to the search for truth in the hope of the contribution towards the reconciliation which we all long for and are working towards ... MR VALLY: If Mrs Madikizela Mandela was involved in these activities as is set out in more detail in Mr Cachalia's submission, and if you Mr Morobe felt that it was important enough to release this press statement which has very strong allegations, very briefly we are outraged by the reign of ... I would like to ask you something, Archbishop. What does one do those that did this to you? I feel that they should also appear before such a panel. I’m referring to these that were in this team, I would like them to say why they did all this. MR NGOBESE:: Yes, it is correct. He was telling the truth if that were the needs. If the needs of the team were not being fulfilled, I agree with him. MR LAMEY: And from there then you made statements to the investigating team from the Attorney-General's office. Can you briefly tell the Committee what the circumstances were surrounding the signing of your initial amnesty application? How did this come about? MR PIENAAR: I can only start, Chairperson, by saying that I did not have any knowledge beforehand of this operation that was executed by Capt van Dyk and his team. One morning he approached me in my office and informed me that he had a man at Moolman that was brought from Swaziland, and if I would ... MR DU TOIT: It is possible that I spoke to him, but I cannot recall that I said anything to him regarding a disguise or a beard or anything like that. Usually there were many people on such a scene and the first person that one would speak to would be the demolitions expert, who in this case was ... MR ROSSOUW: Just before we continue, the co-operation between yourself, a member of C2 to then join the operational team, C1, did this happen before at other opportunities? Have you worked with them before? We thank our Eastern Cape colleagues, Commissioner, Commissioner Bongani Finca and all his colleagues in this region for their very hard work, demonstrating that I head up a team of outstanding persons as Commissioners and Committee members, some of whom are here with me today. MR BOTHA: Col de Kock told us that Mr Baker would take over the operation and that me, Wouter Mentz, Rian Bellingan and Baker himself would form the team who would undertake the work. MR WASSERMAN: The instruction was to - well there was a bit of pandemonium when the message was that they had left and we were not, we went to great pains to make sure that we could catch up with the vehicle, so that we could inform the team what was happening. While thinking of a way to acquire firearms, the applicant states that he was approached by a colleague, one sergeant J J Mdluli, who was also wanting to acquire firearms in order to assist ANC supporters from his area. Mdluli informed the applicant that he had had a discussion with constable S ... |
