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A-Team (Chesterville, Durban)Explanation Showing 601 to 620 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 27 •28 •29 •30 •31 •32 •33 •34 •35 Next Page•Last PageMR ROSSOUW: The question whether it was an unlawful operation and the previous question as to whether it was just a small identified elite team who by themselves undertook to execute unlawful activities because they believed it would combat the liberation struggle. In the light of that, would you ... MS VAN DER WALT: Because you see, you are assisted by a very experienced advocate and attorney and during this session of this Committee, several statements have been submitted by your legal team for other applicants which provide further information for their statements which they made initially, ... MR MOOIJ: Can you tell the Committee, was there any visible evidence to you or to members of your investigation team which indicated how the money which the applicant told you he had received, how that had been spent? MR VISSER: Chairperson, it's a good question and we'll probably never know the answer, but what I will suggest to you is that Mr Zeelie was accosted by the Special Investigation team of the Attorney-General and he was confronted and in spite of his denials, he knew at that time that what he was ... MS PATEL: But they were invited to this party, not so as part of the membership to the soccer team that Mr Magubane was in charge of? The whole operation was well planned. Its success was a result of a well orchestrated team effort by each of the participants. MR MALAN: So in your mind you have no doubt that was a collating between Imbokhoto and the KwaNdebele police? Collusion, they were one and the same team? You have no doubt in your mind about that? The people who were assembled there were referred to as a team and amongst them were those who were called the PAC team, you have the ANC team because they were specialists in torturing and in dealing with members of the different organizations, particularly members of the PAC as it was facing us ... MR VALLY: It was given to you, I believe, not to you Gen Neethling, but to your legal team. Those stories are very enthusiastically investigated at the moment. People are being subpoenaed to give information and part of the final report of the Truth Commission will also be the report on what happened in KwaNdebele. So you can tell your people that although we are not there to report ... MR MDLULI: He informed us of the type of firearms that those people carry and exactly how many there are that escort the PL team. MR DE JAGER: I accompanied Gen Ig Coetzee to Head Office where we held a meeting, where briefly the whole matter was discussed and Gen van der Merwe gave approval that members of Soweto in cooperation with Col de Kock's team would launch the operation as soon as possible, in order to prevent any ... MR VAN JAARSVELD: Chairperson, it was limited to Hechter and Cronje. The Attorney General never approached me afterwards in connection with anything else. On the contrary, he made a request to me in the past couple of days, Dr Pretorius of the Special Investigation Team asked me to help them with ... MR BELLINGAN: Mr Chairman, these experienced operators in the Security Branch were there because they could work as a team. What was needed then was for people to cover up. Each person would have assumed the role that he needed to in the circumstances, without me going to him and discussing it ... GEN VAN DER MERWE: In the past we had tried this numerous times, it simply wasn't practically viable. Firstly, one could not place a surveillance team in Lesotho, there wasn't even such a possibility. To surveil persons an a full-time basis involved such a complicated process and one would ... MR MALAN: Mr Friedrich, is it not his evidence that he was in fact part of it all, that he was part of the planning, that he was a member of the team? It wasn't merely that he witnessed the commission of these acts, he was indeed involved in the planning of these acts and he was involved in ... MR ERASMUS: The only people that I know of who were not part of the security police who had to come and work here, were people who were involved with special investigation, for example the investigative team was part of the Security Branch at that stage. At the Security Branch a uniformed ... MR MAFOJANE: Now, my last question, Mr Vlok, were you part of the team that - or rather let me phrase it this way - you were part of the government during the negotiation phase, is it not correct? De Kock's legal representative then put it to him: "I understand that, but it seems to me that he had already chosen his team and the destination had been determined?" The answer was "That is correct". where we acted on information where somebody had fired at me and the South African Police video team which was shooting the video at the time gave us that information. We used that information to get to the people that we were after. |
