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A-Team (OFS)Explanation Showing 681 to 700 of 843 First Page•Previous Page 31 •32 •33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 •39 Next Page•Last Page Mr Flores, you've prepared an application in terms of Section 18 of Act 34 of 1995, presented it to the TRC Committee in Cape Town and provided your full co-operation with the TRC Committee's Investigating Team, is that correct? MR SONO: They never played soccer, he was just playing (indistinct), I never saw him play for that team. Why I say that is because the very boys, when they approached my neighbour, Mr Shabalala, they said to him they are from the Mandela Football Club and they were looking for Lolo and Sibonisa. ... That is probably three or four forests alone. In addition, the court view hours of video footage shot by numerous journalists and also filmed by the SABC and the South African Police video team. MR ROSSOUW: In other words, you were a part of a team of C1, Vlakplaas members which was working in Mafikeng and Mr de Kock was still in Pretoria? MR CURREN: Clinton McAslin. Gregory Nott. Mpuleng Pooe.Jane Evans. That is the team that will be representing that groupof people. We are coordinating as a team, some people are notgoing to be here all the time they are going to be a lot of doingthe taking of statements and preparation and ... MR HUGO: I understand that, but it seems to me that he had already chosen his team and the destination had been determined? MR KOHL: Yes the SRC, sorry. He was a soccer player. He played first team for Mary Waters, and that was under the sports master Mr James Hiller at Mary Waters. Last year was the first time I heard about a young boy. His name was Stompie Mokesi Siphe. He was 13 years old. He had an opinion, he fought for it and in doing so lost his life. He was against racism and wanted to be equal. That really made me think. He was so young, but at such a young age ... The applicant persuaded Colonel Ndzwayiba not to order the death of Mr Mbotoli by convincing him that the best course to follow would be to kidnap Mr. Mbotoli and take him to Transkei where he could then be de-briefed so as to furnish valuable intelligence which could be utilised by ... MR LAMEY: And from there then you made statements to the investigating team from the Attorney-General's office. Can you briefly tell the Committee what the circumstances were surrounding the signing of your initial amnesty application? How did this come about? MR PIENAAR: I can only start, Chairperson, by saying that I did not have any knowledge beforehand of this operation that was executed by Capt van Dyk and his team. One morning he approached me in my office and informed me that he had a man at Moolman that was brought from Swaziland, and if I would ... MR DU TOIT: It is possible that I spoke to him, but I cannot recall that I said anything to him regarding a disguise or a beard or anything like that. Usually there were many people on such a scene and the first person that one would speak to would be the demolitions expert, who in this case was ... MR ROSSOUW: Just before we continue, the co-operation between yourself, a member of C2 to then join the operational team, C1, did this happen before at other opportunities? Have you worked with them before? MR NGOBESE:: Yes, it is correct. He was telling the truth if that were the needs. If the needs of the team were not being fulfilled, I agree with him. MR BOTHA: Col de Kock told us that Mr Baker would take over the operation and that me, Wouter Mentz, Rian Bellingan and Baker himself would form the team who would undertake the work. MR WASSERMAN: The instruction was to - well there was a bit of pandemonium when the message was that they had left and we were not, we went to great pains to make sure that we could catch up with the vehicle, so that we could inform the team what was happening. While thinking of a way to acquire firearms, the applicant states that he was approached by a colleague, one sergeant J J Mdluli, who was also wanting to acquire firearms in order to assist ANC supporters from his area. Mdluli informed the applicant that he had had a discussion with constable S ... ADV GCABASHE: In relation to the 31st August which is the day that the Vlakplaas team successfully completed this operation, in relation to that when did you see General Erasmus, one week, one month, two months before? MR HATTINGH: In Denmark you were represented by various members of an Investigative Team which included Dr D'Oliviera, the then Attorney General for Transvaal as well as people like Adv Pretorius and Adv Ackerman and so forth? MR BOSCH: I received my instructions from Mr de Kock, he told me to reserve places in Richards Bay for the whole team. We were then to travel down before the time, me, Vermeulen and Botha and then create an alibi there so that if any queries were ever made we could say that they were somewhere in ... |
