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A-Team (Chesterville, Durban)Explanation MR SMITH: Not with the investigating team. The more junior officers, essentially the task team under the leadership of De Kock, believed that they had no choice but to execute the functions allocated to them. They certainly had no intention of disobeying an order from De Kock for fear of the possible repercussions. They had nothing to do ... MR HATTINGH: And Mr Nortje, was he the leader of that team? MR LOOTS: It was known that they didn't often stay for more than one evening at a specific place, for the night and this was information was of great value for the Security Branch. Take Five and Sadie Pule were members of the Special Operations Group of the ANC and they regularly sent weapons ... Where things really went wrong was in the workplace. I remember we had to just do hard labour and during my life there I worked in two quarries, I worked at the Landbouspan (Agricultural Team) and I worked at a job that I didn’t like, taking out seaweed because sometimes that stuff was rotten, so ... MR HATTINGH: And it was put to you, if I recall correctly, I have not studied this again, but I recall that we consulted with a lady who was a member of the investigating team who investigated that murder and robbery, do you recall that? back-up team, Andre Andronowitz and myself. We walked right MR WILLEMSE: The question is that I should briefly explain what my career was with SAA. I was asked to transfer to SAA during 1979. At that stage I was a member of the legal advisors team and was known then as the South African Railways and Harbours and I fulfilled a very specific role there. I ... MR PRETORIUS: What was noticeable, just for your information Chairperson, was that the messages that came from Botswana to tactical headquarters and then went out from tactical headquarters to the operatives on the ground was all in code. In other words, it was not: "we stopped before house number ... "Foreign Affairs refers to the success which has been achieved in recent times regarding the Lesotho matter, by a small high level project team consisting of RSA officials." ADV DE JAGER: If I understand you correctly, as soon as the political deed was committed, for example a policeman's house had been burnt down and it was, the political will was manifested the - or for example where a person would be murdered or a house would be set alight, the investigators or the ... MR DE KOCK: No, not directly but by means of the legal team it has emerged that he did disappear with a firearm. I was transferred to Guguletu during June, that would have been towards the end of June, late June 1986 and took over command of a task team assigned to investigate the violence from Captain Loocke. MR WAGENER: Mr Chairman, briefly what happened is a legal team was appointed to represent the then Minister of Law and Order as he was, the Commissioner of the South African Police and in essence the command structure of the police. I as an Attorney was involved in that team, we instructed ... MR BERGER: You talk about catching a flight to Frankfurt. On arrival at Frankfurt I saw the rest of the team. We all managed to get on the same flight to South Africa. ADV BOOYENS: I then asked Captain van Zyl to compile a team and to plan how we were going to go over to the action of elimination. I believe that we also discussed this, that the perception had to be created that they had left the country and I can remember that we arranged that the vehicle was to ... MR KRUSER: That's what I thought happened at that stage when I did the statement. This statement was done at the time of preparation for the inquest and I was advised by my legal team that this statement is sufficient for me to apply for amnesty and I subsequently did so. MR LAX: Alright. And then in the interview with our staff, our Investigation Team, Mr Khoisan and Mr Petersen, do you remember you had an interview with them in August 1997? Zenzile Khoisan and Deon Petersen, from our office. MR CORNELIUS: And I think a Judgment has already been passed with regard to that. You also gave your full co-operation to the investigative team of the TRC. And it happened to me in the Harms Commission that at some stage I stayed away from the Harms Commission when I had to lead evidence because I said that I had a problem with the Harms Commission and then the government, by 10 o'clock that evening, would tell me that they would withdraw my legal ... |