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askariExplanation Showing 201 to 220 of 325 First Page•Previous Page 7 •8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 Next Page•Last Page... and that was to meet Roelf Venter, who was then a lieutenant and Captain Naude. My objective at that time was to interrogate a captured new Askari. I remember the man was cooperative. Then the last time I was at Vlakplaas was some months before Janine's ... might just highlight something. This deals with the fact that you went to CR Swart Square and that you met Mr Ndaba there under arrest, and that an askari had arrested him, or that askaris had arrested him, and that you received information from Botha, that Ndaba was indeed an informer of his, is ... CHAIRPERSON: Was this informer, Mr Mathebula, an askari? According to the evidence that is before you this applicant was given information by his superiors and the information was that the deceased was an askari, an institution well known to the - acting on the other side of the ANC and uMkhonto weSizwe. It is my further submission, Chairperson, that ... MS LOCKHAT: So you were an askari, abducted by the South African Police, and you regarded yourself as a soldier after that. Can you comment on that? MR LAMEY: That is correct. You also say in your statement that afterwards there was identification by means of an askari, is it of that person? ... arrested in January 1987, soon after his return to South Africa. After being held in custody and allegedly being tortured, he agreed to become an askari. He was based at Vlakpaas under Col De Kock. He had come to Durban as part of operations to identify and arrest other MK and APLA ... ... could recall. The evidence of de Kock and others and that of the fifth applicant, S.J. Visser, as to whether Msibi was eventually turned into an Askari differs substantially. It is however clear that De Kock’s association with Msibi had come to an end much earlier than that of S.J. Visser and ... Lastly Mr Chairman, just a remark which was made by you to Mr Ngubane, regarding askaris. An askari per definition of our past, was a person who had previously been a member or supporter of the ANC or another liberation movement, who had been turned to use that expression and who was applied ... MR NKOSI: No, I didn't know his name. And during our arrest in 1988, Webster was separated from us and during the trial in Delmas Webster, according to the information I got, he was a State witness who ended up working with the police, who ended up being an Askari member. MR CORNELIUS: Did you know it was an Askari? MR NIEUWOUDT: I cannot remember that, the only Askari that I knew who was present was Moss whom I knew personally. ... of casualties and particularly conscript casualties was becoming very, very high and one can see this in the rate of casualties between Operation Askari and the ones that came earlier. It was just a quantum leap and the SADF was hypersensitive to White conscription. I don't think anti-White ... He further testified that he became disillusioned with the ANC and deserted them. It is common cause that he became an Askari. ... Police, and he was captured when his ammunition was finished. Later he was taken to Mafekeng and interrogated and later he decided to join the Askari group and now he has crossed the floor and was working with the 'system'. ... ... and unsatisfactory. He said that what he was trying to convey in his statement of 2 October 1997 was that he only became aware of the name "askari" after the killing. This explanation is plainly contradicted by what is stated in the statement which is quoted in the preceding paragraph. ... ... they hope that it will be known not only in this room, but in public as well, especially where they live in KwaMashu, that Mr Dion Cele was not an askari or an informer, because all along they've been harassed by the community they live in because there were those rumours that Mr Dion Cele was ... MS PATEL: Well perhaps your understanding of the term askari is not the normal understanding that we have here of an askari being a turned liberation or MK, PAC person who would then be turned and then used by the Security Forces against the liberation movements, but I'll take it no further. MR MOLEFE: That is correct and from the evidence it appears that he in actual fact crossed sides in that he apparently became an Askari. This particular person apparently also had a lot to do with this particular incident in that he's the one who provided Mr Toka with the intelligence report. ... MR VAN RENSBURG: I think that one was an askari who had formally served at Vlakplaas. I would imagine but I'm not certain. I think so, but I suspect that I may be mistaken, he may have come after me to Port Elizabeth, he doesn't really ring a bell in my mind but during the amnesty hearing I was ... |