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askariExplanation Showing 201 to 220 of 325 First Page•Previous Page 7 •8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 Next Page•Last Pagebefore us the purpose of the meeting was to confront him with allegations that he made common cause with one Sipho Pungola who was believed to be an askari and further that he was responsible for the death of one of the comrades and intimidated and robbed people. In the context of the then ... told the TRC that their missing children had last been seen in the company of Mrs Madikizela-Mandela and that the TRC had received evidence from the askari who had killed these children and had not called on him to speak in public, Mr Leon was informed that the TRC by means of Mr Patrick Kelly, ... MS P BERLIN:: So, can you tell us a bit about Vlakplaas hierarchy in paragraph 23, I understand that you became an Askari, and under whom did you fit into the Vlakplaas hierarchy, who was your commander? According to the evidence that is before you this applicant was given information by his superiors and the information was that the deceased was an askari, an institution well known to the - acting on the other side of the ANC and uMkhonto weSizwe. It is my further submission, Chairperson, that ... MR TSOLO: He was an askari, Chairperson. MR MALAN: Mr Olifant, did you join Vlakplaas as an askari? ... What I find strange and I did not cross-examine on that because I felt that it might not be as important, is that Mr Beeslaar would go with an askari or a person who had been turned, he would go to obtain the particulars about the person, but there is no evidence that there was ever really ... MR LAMEY: The gist of that without going into detail, is that you were, when you became a member of the Security Police, you became what they called an askari to distinguish you from original police members because you'd been previously a member of the ANC and MK, is that correct? MR TSOLO: He was an askari, Chairperson. MR LAMEY: That is correct. You also say in your statement that afterwards there was identification by means of an askari, is it of that person? MR CORNELIUS: Magopa, Chris Magopa, was he an askari? MR MOSIANE: At that time Chairperson, I was employed as an askari in C1 Section at the Police Head Quarters. MR HUGO: But that you were attached to Vlakplaas, not in the capacity of an askari, but that you were a regular member of the Police, as it was then known? might just highlight something. This deals with the fact that you went to CR Swart Square and that you met Mr Ndaba there under arrest, and that an askari had arrested him, or that askaris had arrested him, and that you received information from Botha, that Ndaba was indeed an informer of his, is ... CHAIRPERSON: But don't we know that Vlakplaas was eliminating, even evidence we've heard for the past three years is that even if an askari was deviant, Mr de Kock wouldn't hesitate to take him out or eliminate him, to use the words used in the "omsendbriewe"? ... they hope that it will be known not only in this room, but in public as well, especially where they live in KwaMashu, that Mr Dion Cele was not an askari or an informer, because all along they've been harassed by the community they live in because there were those rumours that Mr Dion Cele was ... MS PATEL: Well perhaps your understanding of the term askari is not the normal understanding that we have here of an askari being a turned liberation or MK, PAC person who would then be turned and then used by the Security Forces against the liberation movements, but I'll take it no further. Visser also testified that Sedibe was abducted with a view to converting him into an askari (converted agent) whilst Deetlef's' version was that their aim was simply to extract information from him. It was clear from the evidence that Sedibe eventually supplied information although it was in all ... ... and unsatisfactory. He said that what he was trying to convey in his statement of 2 October 1997 was that he only became aware of the name "askari" after the killing. This explanation is plainly contradicted by what is stated in the statement which is quoted in the preceding paragraph. ... MR ROBERTSHAW: I saw him, he was an askari. Hatiso Kadi was an askari and he often came to Ladybrand. |