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collaboratorExplanation Van der Walt, it is very strange to me this statement of yours that because he says he doesn't know, you simply assume that he is a sympathiser or a collaborator. Against the background, and this is your explanation thereof, that he did not tell you that he was approached by an armed terrorist ... MR MAGWAZA: What actually I could say is that it was established within the township no matter if I could say from grapevines but it was established and it was known to us that he was an Impimpi or a collaborator with the then apartheid government. COL VENTER: Collaborator. MR VAN DYK: At that stage it was that he was a collaborator and he was assisting in the transport of persons, as I've already said, from Mozambique and helped with infiltrations into the RSA. MR DE KOCK: No Chairperson, but I left it on ground level, if I recall correctly, it had to be appear to be an ANC revenge attack, because he was a defector and a collaborator and I also accept responsibility for what the operatives on ground level did. MR MALAN: They did not ask your opinion as to whether he was a sympathiser or a collaborator or hiding anything? ... expressed whether Japie Maponya had been a member or a supporter of the ANC, I submit with respect that he could at least have been regarded as a collaborator through his conduct of protecting his brother Ordereli against arrest by the police and Ordereli was involved in political violence ... MR VAN ZWEEL: That he transported people from Maputo to Swaziland and from Swaziland to Natal. He was a courier and a collaborator with the ANC. That is the information we had from our several sources, Chairperson. MR DE KOCK: It was aimed at an attack on the Head of the ANC's Natal machinery in Swaziland, particularly on the leader Zwelibanzi Nyanda and his second in command and then an ANC supporter and collaborator by the name of McFadden. MR MARAIS: I heard that he was an ANC collaborator. CHAIRPERSON: In this case that you have just mentioned now, the Klein's, I am not sure how they pronounce their name, you said that Mr Klein was considered to be a collaborator in that he was a police reservist and a member of the Labour Party. What about Mrs Klein? MR VISSER: But now we do know that she was indeed and from further remarks from this Exhibit that she was a collaborator and an ANC activist? ... still alive then. They got information such a person worked with the police, now he shows a photo and says that because that person possibly was a collaborator of the police, that he must be ... MR RICHARD: Then we're not arguing with each other. Now in your evidence and in your documents you used the word "Security personnel" and "collaborator", what would you consider Security personnel to include? - the phrase. MR VISSER: You say that he was a collaborator and conspirator? MR PRINSLOO: If I could arrest the group of terrorists, it would mean more to me and then yes, he would be charged as a collaborator, so then the evidence would be there. This applicant without really having confirmed whether the deceased was a police collaborator or not, he had an order, he received an order from his commander and this order, him and his co-perpetrators adhered to the order and went ahead to eliminate the deceased. It appears clear from his ... ... confess were usually sent to detention camps. Now what happened to a poor fellow who is innocent and he says: "I'm not an informer, I was never a collaborator with the enemy", he tells the ANC in Lusaka that, is he also one that is sent to a detention camp because he refuses to ... "Well I remember his name as a collaborator or an MK member." MR RICHARD: Did they describe the category of collaborator that they might be planning to attack? |