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collaboratorExplanation MR JOSEPH: And having identified a person as a collaborator, having identified a person as being an informer, identified a person as a traitor? MR RICHARD: Then we're not arguing with each other. Now in your evidence and in your documents you used the word "Security personnel" and "collaborator", what would you consider Security personnel to include? - the phrase. ... in an incident in which such a possibility was regarded as less important that the actual commission of the principle crime of attacking a collaborator of apartheid. This was indeed the response to the proposition that she was a ... MR DE KOCK: It was aimed at an attack on the Head of the ANC's Natal machinery in Swaziland, particularly on the leader Zwelibanzi Nyanda and his second in command and then an ANC supporter and collaborator by the name of McFadden. from work to spend his holidays with his family. Mr Ndletyana's employer is a collaborator and I am talking about Snr Mr Ndletyana. ... were with them, wasn't there just to get an opportunity, a lift or something, this person would then be associated with the persons, he could be a collaborator and I'm not trying to defend anyone. This is my personal view and what I have experienced and now I will say to myself, I now have to ... ADV SANDI: Let us put it this way, Mr Guleni, if you killed a so-called black collaborator, a black person who had been a problem to your organisation and your people in that area, would that have had the desired political effect in the context of the time? MR VAN ZWEEL: That he transported people from Maputo to Swaziland and from Swaziland to Natal. He was a courier and a collaborator with the ANC. That is the information we had from our several sources, Chairperson. accusation against you that you were also working for the police, was there ever that type of accusation against you, that you were an informer or a ... ... confess were usually sent to detention camps. Now what happened to a poor fellow who is innocent and he says: "I'm not an informer, I was never a collaborator with the enemy", he tells the ANC in Lusaka that, is he also one that is sent to a detention camp because he refuses to ... "Well I remember his name as a collaborator or an MK member." ... I had no reason to think that Mr Vlok would have hesitated in informing Mr Botha about this and if one asks the question: "Would you not make him a collaborator"?, I did not consider this question any further but my impression was that in any case at that stage there was such a situation which ... MR BIZOS: Let me read to you what your colleague, and close collaborator in these murders says on page 17 of the record, MR DE KOCK: No Chairperson, but I left it on ground level, if I recall correctly, it had to be appear to be an ANC revenge attack, because he was a defector and a collaborator and I also accept responsibility for what the operatives on ground level did. "We want to make the death of a collaborator so grotesque that people will never think of it." On 13 April 1986 Winnie Manela said: "Well I remember his name as a collaborator or an MK member." ADV SANDI: In your statement you said that they were trying to portray you as a collaborator with them. What happened? MR LAMEY: So what you're saying, if - do I understand the gist of your evidence here correctly, that Mr Koole is deliberately implicating you in the theft of that watch because he's still a collaborator with the white security policemen? CHAIRPERSON: In this case that you have just mentioned now, the Klein's, I am not sure how they pronounce their name, you said that Mr Klein was considered to be a collaborator in that he was a police reservist and a member of the Labour Party. What about Mrs Klein? MR VISSER: But now we do know that she was indeed and from further remarks from this Exhibit that she was a collaborator and an ANC activist? |