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councillorsExplanation We got there at a time where there was tension and at the time where I say, in 1987 my house was burnt. Whereas on the other side, the Government was establishing Councillors and also Council police in the form of municipal police. MR VISSER: Was it the policy of the ANC to root out members and supporters of the Government, we're talking about black people, to whom they referred to as Government stooges, councillors and the like, members of the Security Forces and people who assisted them? Was there such a policy of the ANC? ... see people who left their houses to work, their families are not protected. In our discussions with the Chief and the community, the Chief and his Councillors rejected our offer but we told them that we understand what they’re saying but we said to them, we are going to continue with our work ... MR MAKOLA: Yes, as far as I am concerned during that time most of the Councillors were not popular with the community. They were not popular. ... association was seen to work in co-operation with the police, or giving evidence to the police or working in co-operation with the apartheid local Councillors, they were seen as "impimpis" and enemies of the liberation ... ... got to identify targets like policemen, SADF members, those individuals perceived to be collaborating, colluding with the apartheid system. The councillors, we then regarded them as legitimate targets. So it's upon individuals, when inside the country, that they can identify those targets, ... And they were also Councillors who were elected and this was not known to us how were they elected and we objected to that. We also learnt that the oppressive and repressive Government wanted to reinforce more people to guard and then the vigilantes were also placed in our vicinity so that they ... MR MANTHATA: Did you go to the councillors to investigate MR LUKHELE: They were referring to power stations, houses belonging to policemen and councillors. DR MANDELL: Thank you very much Chairperson, Councillors, thank you very much for giving us the privilege of being with you at this very important occasion in the last two days. We are extremely concerned about the past and spending the whole day with you yesterday it was something which all of us ... ... been allowed to just go on without any intervention, on the evidence of Coetzee, on what Mfalapitsa told him in regard to Nkosi and all the black councillors, the consequences which Brig Schoon talks about might well have become a reality, not to say the least of the lives of these people which ... ... the Republic of South Africa. The revolutionary onslaught and threat further had as its objective to make the country ungovernable and black councillors, South African police as well as other members of the security forces and officers of the State to eradicate these people and eliminate ... MR NGWENYA: I would say the situation was very tense in the township. It was not possible to move freely about the township and they were colluding with the Councillors. ... Now, when you defined your targets, as you have already explained in your statement, you said that your targets was that you were against apartheid councillors as well as vigilante groups. What was troubling you about those groups, why did you specifically choose them to be your targets? What ... ... have been a member but not the actual leader. The applicant himself was a supporter of the then banned ANC whilst the Mashaolin Gang supported the councillors of Lamontville, who were seen as supporters of the then Government. At the time there was an intense struggle between supporters of the ... MR MTUNGWA: I do remember the fact that we had discussed with the councillors. I conveyed my opinion to them, because even this whole money that caused problems, because apparently there was money involved as well that they were losing. That is related to the loss they suffered. The apartheid States at the time insisted on putting in place in many townships in the country Councillors, people that they percieved could govern the townships separately to the way that the rest of the cities were governed. To do that they enforced elections in very many communities and of ... ... was going to be used to help the task force. It was going to be used for political purposes to train the task force s that we could disturb the councillors of the then government, that is why I'm asking for amnesty because this money was going to be used for the training of the task ... referring to councillors, and no, I am not arguing the legitimacy, the non- ... state agents, and chain of command. The victims classified as legitimate targets need to be specified (e.g. SAP, kitskonstables, SADF, community councillors). This information would ... |
