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people's warExplanation Showing 221 to 240 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 Next Page•Last Page We received statements from people who confirmed under oath that Mr Piet Ntuli was involved with certain murders and other intimidations as well as assaults and as Colonel Kendall had said, he was involved with illegal arms as well as stolen vehicles. In considering the relevant criteria set out in section 20(3), we are, moreover, not satisfied that the killings were authorised by Applicants' superiors. In our view, despite the position which might have obtained earlier, De Kock did not have the necessary authority to order such radical ... 3.1 They stole the vehicle (i) so as to be able to move around, (ii) to steal or rob people or institutions of weapons on a small scale and later, using these ill-gotten weapons (iii) attack bigger depots for more weapons and then (iv) arm as many people as they would have in the meantime recruited ... MR MGULWA: Yes because the Chief wanted to do whatever he pleased with the people. He did not agree with that. Then there were killings. MR BOKABA: Chairperson, let me explain it this way. The people who went to fetch this person, was Paul van Vuuren and Joe Mamasela. We knew about this operation because we were waiting in a kombi somewhere in Mamelodi, with Dennis Selatle and Hechter. We knew about this operation at that ... from Marble Hall which comes through Moutse. We came by foot on that road. Then we came through Motete. We went to Bondue where I am staying. When I arrived at Bondue Village where I am staying it was at sunset. My wife said my son is nowhere to be found. I asked what happened. There is a ... MR BELLINGHAN: Some people did not keep to this arrangement, they, for instance, didn't say when they were going to the Eastern Transvaal or wherever, and at a later conference there was a bit of a spat about this, about certain members of Vlakplaas who didn't co-operate. That changed drastically ... ... it is because we were fleeing and we were not caught in Upington. I remained in those cells and it was very, very poor circumstances. Some of the warders and the officers, they swore at us especially when most of the comrades went out they swore at us. Sometimes we had to fight against these ... MS THABETHE: Mr Chair, I did ask him about it, he says he doesn't know the names of the people who actually carried out the assault, all he remembers is that from Maseru he was taken to Parys and from Parys he was taken to Bloemfontein and he was assaulted when he arrived at Parys but I didn't want ... ... around - so the one that was standing there with the shotgun said to me - los die vark af. Leave the pig alone. So I thought - jy is ‘n bloody coward. You are a bloody coward - and the two in the van they started laughing. So I said to them - Ja, witman gat honde - julle sal lag. White ... MR MAKGAE: You know it was a tendency around this area for people to come to a funeral. MR SANDI: Were there people Mrs Bata, who were arrested for this ?. 3. The attempted murders of five other people, namely; Sibusiso Luthuli; Sipho Sikhumbuso Luthuli; Mzo Mbonambi; Chunky Msiya and Ziswe Mbonambi on the same occasion. And you said in your statement that there were other people who were also tortured in detention apart form your son and you’ve mentioned the name of Babela Ngada. Is that correct. MR MTHETHWA: What they told us was that during that time the ANC was fighting for the freedom of the people and they wanted there to be negotiations between the Black as well as the White people, but it seems the White people didn't want to understand the viewpoint of the Black people. That is ... CHIEF MARAI: I think my mother gave in her statement. I don’t think it will differ much from what I’m going to say, because I was the one who told them everything in 1982 when I was in Lesotho. This happened at night. My brother also got hurt there. My brother was beaten that night when I ... MS TSHABALALA: This has become a family matter. There is a thing that we didn't discuss much, it seems as if it's something wrong that he did that caused his arrest. As a family and others we are the only people who knew exactly what happened. MS MKHIZE: Often when people approach the Commission they have specific needs in mind. Can you just tell us the kind of thing that you hope to achieve by coming to the ADV SANDI: Were these people looking for your husband who is sitting next to you now? MEMBER OF PANEL: Mr Acting Chairperson, I would like to call upon Mrs Makiwane. Mrs Makiwane, before I can request that you can take an oath I would like to confirm the statement that you have given me. I would like to state that we are prepared to listen to your presentation so that if there are ... |
