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people's warExplanation Showing 221 to 240 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 Next Page•Last PageMr Mbali talks of six people. Now the two applicants before you now can shed no light on that and clearly if it happened, we certainly can't deny it. We would say that, with respect, it's very unlikely because if the Lesotho policeman who was the informer knew that what he was doing was ... MR RAS: No. He would have known that it would be used in order to kill people, but he wasn't informed specifically about the operation. Thank you Denzil, Robert what is most shocking about this testimony that you and others before you had given is the senselessness of it all. Just the senseless shooting of people who are unarmed and who were obviously causing no danger and were no danger to the police themselves. What is ... When the policemen from Phalaborwa came, and they got us at the meeting, they came to the Lutheran Church where we were holding the meeting and they threw teargas-canisters at us. Then people started scattering in all directions and ran, but I never ran away. That's when I was taken and ... Various efforts were attempted, including resorting to the assistance of the police and no help ...[indistinct] the way of the community. The community tried its own endeavours, firstly by talking to the parents of the criminals concerned, in some instances assaulting them and in some instances ... ... around - so the one that was standing there with the shotgun said to me - los die vark af. Leave the pig alone. So I thought - jy is ‘n bloody coward. You are a bloody coward - and the two in the van they started laughing. So I said to them - Ja, witman gat honde - julle sal lag. White ... MR MGULWA: Yes because the Chief wanted to do whatever he pleased with the people. He did not agree with that. Then there were killings. from Marble Hall which comes through Moutse. We came by foot on that road. Then we came through Motete. We went to Bondue where I am staying. When I arrived at Bondue Village where I am staying it was at sunset. My wife said my son is nowhere to be found. I asked what happened. There is a ... She stated that she and her husband and child went to Pretoria at approximately 15h00 on 1st August 1993. Their visit to Pretoria was unplanned and they left for Pretoria without any notice on an urgent basis. She accordingly denied the 1st Applicant's version that they were told during the ... PROF MAGWAZA: I see here you mention Mr Bezuidenhout as one of the people who tortured you. Is he the only one? Can you, do you have the identify of others? No, no, okay, well I am not going to ask you for the identity of others, but he is the only, is he the person who did most of the ... MR SANDI: Were there people Mrs Bata, who were arrested for this ?. MR BELLINGHAN: Some people did not keep to this arrangement, they, for instance, didn't say when they were going to the Eastern Transvaal or wherever, and at a later conference there was a bit of a spat about this, about certain members of Vlakplaas who didn't co-operate. That changed drastically ... MR MAKGAE: You know it was a tendency around this area for people to come to a funeral. MRS WILLIAMS:: Michael was eleven at the time and he was a quiet boy. The day that he was shot I was at work and I only found out the next day that he was dead, because at the time of the shooting people were taking kids into their houses and I was still hoping that he was waiting at one of the ... 3. The attempted murders of five other people, namely; Sibusiso Luthuli; Sipho Sikhumbuso Luthuli; Mzo Mbonambi; Chunky Msiya and Ziswe Mbonambi on the same occasion. MRS RANTAO: They were people were fighting in the village. ... how the people were leaving the hall. And suddenly those people started running. I also ran and suddenly I just felt lame and I felt something warm running down my leg. When I looked down I saw blood, when I picked up my skirt I saw there was a big hole in my leg. I started crying and I ... MS MKHIZE: Often when people approach the Commission they have specific needs in mind. Can you just tell us the kind of thing that you hope to achieve by coming to the And do you know of other cases of people, you said that 20 were detained at the same time that you were detained, do you know if they were also tortured, did they discuss any of what happened to them with you? Certainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... |
