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people's warExplanation Showing 221 to 240 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 Next Page•Last PageMR RAS: No. He would have known that it would be used in order to kill people, but he wasn't informed specifically about the operation. Mr Mbali talks of six people. Now the two applicants before you now can shed no light on that and clearly if it happened, we certainly can't deny it. We would say that, with respect, it's very unlikely because if the Lesotho policeman who was the informer knew that what he was doing was ... MR NGHOBENI: "I wanted the community amongst whom I resided to realise that I had been falsely arrested because the police who had arrested me had shown or rendered evidence to the effect that uMkhonto weSizwe members were responsible for killing people." MR VISSER: He was in Botswana, he met these people, and what happened then? CHAIRPERSON: Would you agree that in the violence that occurred during that time, and in particular I am talking about the Tokoza area, many people died? ADV DE JAGER: If you could just tell us that it appears on such and such a page and confirm it, then we would be satisfied, because I am not interested in where people were born or which schools they attended. This policeman who shot me used to play with the gun. He will just shoot upwards when the people are sitting in Jonas. MR JANSEN: Now in your work as a security policeman, how was it that you regarded the ANC, which was an organisation fighting for the liberation and the emancipation of black people, how was it that you as a black person regarded them as your enemy? CHAIRPERSON: You were connected were you not, with other incidents where explosive devices were sent to people? I just wanted it to be in the record, that is why I am asking you again. But we all remember very well what you told us at our first public hearing. And we remember the story of how those seven young men were shot and killed - of the funeral that happened about 10 or 12 days later with the ... MR NAGI: We were arrested because the boers wanted to know, the people who crossed the border to Zambia. These people were Diliza Ghandi and others. He looked morbid. I asked Toto for the third time where Deliswa was. He then said she has been injured, she had been shot. I walked out, walked towards the gate, but I went back into the house. I walked around the street. I wanted to go to where she had been shot. I asked Toto where my ... MR MBANDAZAYO: Thank you Mr Chairperson. Just before, Mr Chairperson, I address the Committee which I'll be short, I'd like to say something with regard to what has been - statement by Captain Snyman and the other victim. I wish just to say to them that on behalf of the applicants, I've spoken to ... I was involved in the Inauguration of this hall, I went home to buy some cigarettes. I was just standing there and I went to the shop. It was just in between the hall and the Montana Cafè, I was standing there counting my money. While I was counting the money people shouted: MS NHLAYISI: Can you explain who were the people who were attacking at Slovo, when you were called that you should come and render assistance? CHAIRPERSON: But I wouldn't have thought that you people in the Security Police would have tapped each other's phones? The second applicant and another stabbed two of the people who they assumed to be those because they used these words. One was killed, the other rand away. On their was home they suddenly decided to go and kill one Elizabeth Zandime Khumalo, whom they knew her to be in opposition to the IFP ... Certainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... Yes, Barnard was there and the employees - people who were working there. There were no other people except Barnard and the people who were working in court. MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, the first time I heard mention of a problem was on the journey back, it was a discussion between Mr de Kock and Brig Schoon and Mr de Kock said words to the effect that why is it necessary for us to always have to sort out other people's problems. Brig Schoon's reply to that ... |
