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people's warExplanation Showing 221 to 240 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 8 •9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 Next Page•Last PageSection 20(3)(c) refers to the legal and factual nature of the act. Murder can never be regarded as negligible. Unfortunately the Committee had to deal with this in almost every amnesty application in which a hearing was required and where amnesty was granted for killing opponents and even ... Mr Mbali talks of six people. Now the two applicants before you now can shed no light on that and clearly if it happened, we certainly can't deny it. We would say that, with respect, it's very unlikely because if the Lesotho policeman who was the informer knew that what he was doing was ... MRS BOOYSE: Sir, what I would like to say is that I thank the Lord for having gathered us here today with people like you to find out our problems. I thought that my son's case has disappeared in thin air, but today I am able to testify. CHAIRPERSON: The reasons for yesterday's premature adjournment was that we needed a particular type of interpreter. This hearing was adjourned till nine o'clock this morning. It is now ten to ten. I speak on behalf of the panel. We are not very happy about that. Since this meeting was ... 3rd Applicant's evidence was that he drove the vehicle in which Schoon and 1st Applicant went to the function at Malopo's Oog. He was not part of any of the discussions relating to this incident. On the way back he recalls 1st Applicant and Schoon discussing things about a problem. He recalls ... the police station. My mother was not willing to go, I was not willing to go. Eventually I went. When I arrived at the police station to go and find out what was happening, one of the policemen was very rude to me. He said to me: " Who are you coaming for?" and I said I'm coaming for Jonathan ... He asked me to go and look on the other side - in Wespoort Avenue and I went there. I stood at the busstop - myself, a postman and two boys, the 13 year old and the 11 year old. The Riot Squad guys were hiding in other people’s yard. MR DLAMINI: It was myself, comrade Themba, Jacky Macheo and Bafana Baloi. In 1990 we attacked Mr Msizi's house, we threw petrol bombs. We did so because Msizi was one of the councillors who used to harass and give hardships to the community. It includes arresting people and evicting people from ... MS VAN DER WALT: Were you in any way involved with the preparation or the identification of the houses and any monitoring, to determine how many people would be inside the houses? MR SANDI: At the time you made your appearance in court, were you the only one or were there other people with you? to them I could not because I have been affected by the sugar diabetes disease. They said that is no problem as the people in exile will be coming back to the country. They are going to help. Applicant saw the deceased leaving his home, disarmed and assaulted him. Soon more people caught up with the deceased and continued the assault, eventually pouring petrol over the deceased and setting him alight. The deceased died in the incident . Your testimony concerns an experience that you had in July 1985 which is also indicative of the situation at that time and the way in which people were treated by the security forces, particularly the police. Now would you like to tell us what happened to you in July 1985. On 15 March, I was a member of those people who were taking the memorandum. He read the memorandum, he explained to us that 20 minutes we should disperse. When we were supposed to disperse, they gave an order that the police should shoot us. It was terrible. MR MATHEBE: As people who were fighting for liberation, we knew what we were fighting for. We were not expecting any reward, our only reward was liberation. each other and you shared with me and with other staff members, quite a bit about your own pain and suffering. Does the briefer want her to move forward a bit? Okay, we know that you have been aware of what other people have said this morning. There were quite a few people who presented to us ... MR ROSSOUW: And you did not see the people who were involved in there as well? The Committee is satisfied that the attack was associated with a political objective, that the Applicant has made a full disclosure of the role he played in the attack and of the identity of the other people involved. MR BERGER: The same people that he spoke about, you confirm? MS DANO: I am positive that he would be giving a list of people who had beaten him up. |
