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people's warExplanation Showing 241 to 260 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: So may I say a very warm welcome to both of you and I hope that both of you can hear so that you can follow and hear the questions and that we can listen to you. There are a lot of people out there so if you can speak quite loudly, that will help. I'm going to hand over now to Ms ... MR MBANDAZAYO: Chairperson, I've just - the name Scorpion Chairperson I've just misplaced, but the problem I have is that it was used by about five people so we did not know who actually was involved with them, but I had five names, but I've just misplaced those five names, I don't know who ... We therefore accept that the Applicants bona fide believed that by committing the offences in respect of which they seek amnesty they were advancing the struggle which was being waged by their political organisation against the then government for the return of the land to the African people. We ... "First we decided that the Bontheuwel Rent Office was going to be a target and then we had to do reconnaissance work ensuring that nobody should get hurt in the incident, whether it was safe to do it, whether there were people using the street at that time of the night and that was what we first ... Incident 13: The assault of torturing of a member or members of a group of 19 people arrested at Ladybrand on 6 April 1986. The applicant testified that he assaulted members of the above group after they were detained at Fountains Police Station at Bloemfontein. The Committee is satisfied that ... He then asked for Wellington, because he said there are people here who have come to burn him. I then warned him to hide either under the bed or in the wardrobe. When I looked through the window, there was a whole horde of people. MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA: I see something here in your statement which was not here before, where you mention that this Rastafarian guy kept on coming to the people and would then go back to the police and then you heard them calling out to shoot. The Rasta went to the police then came back to us and ... MR ROBEY: They said they had a bit of difficulty when the incident took place, when the shooting started. A lot of people tried to surround them, they then, when they were running back to the vehicle, they fired a couple of shots in the air because there was a group of people trying to surround ... In 1986 a state of emergency was declared in South Africa, not for the first time, this was in June, this resulted in many, many people being detained. In fact in 1986 26,000 people were detained and the main targets of this action by the State were students and youth activists. In 1986 children ... Sit a little bit nearer to the microphone so that other people can hear you. Thank you. Before we begin, may I ask you to stand to take the oath. MR VISSER: Chairperson, we are talking about something which has happened more than 10 years ago, 1987, 12 years ago. It is possible that either Coetzee or Olifant might be mistaken. Coetzee gives the explanation, he says that it was very important that the instructions had to be carried, ... CHAIRPERSON: So none of the other people who gave evidence to us were there when the first body was burnt? 3rd Applicant's evidence was that he drove the vehicle in which Schoon and 1st Applicant went to the function at Malopo's Oog. He was not part of any of the discussions relating to this incident. On the way back he recalls 1st Applicant and Schoon discussing things about a problem. He recalls ... The Committee is satisfied that the attack was associated with a political objective, that the Applicant has made a full disclosure of the role he played in the attack and of the identity of the other people involved. each other and you shared with me and with other staff members, quite a bit about your own pain and suffering. Does the briefer want her to move forward a bit? Okay, we know that you have been aware of what other people have said this morning. There were quite a few people who presented to us ... On 15 March, I was a member of those people who were taking the memorandum. He read the memorandum, he explained to us that 20 minutes we should disperse. When we were supposed to disperse, they gave an order that the police should shoot us. It was terrible. Your testimony concerns an experience that you had in July 1985 which is also indicative of the situation at that time and the way in which people were treated by the security forces, particularly the police. Now would you like to tell us what happened to you in July 1985. 3. Assaults on various people during the interrogation following the Cafe Zurich bomb explosion. "At the time it was common knowledge that the police were collaborating in harassing the ANC. There had been many instances where people, that is ANC people had been killed, shot at. At one time a house attack, that is the Midlands Chairperson, Mr Harry Gwala, which had been attacked by these ... the police station. My mother was not willing to go, I was not willing to go. Eventually I went. When I arrived at the police station to go and find out what was happening, one of the policemen was very rude to me. He said to me: " Who are you coaming for?" and I said I'm coaming for Jonathan ... |
