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people's warExplanation Showing 241 to 260 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: Did you - when you laid the explosive device, what were your intentions with regard to injuring or killing people, if any? CHAIRPERSON: Good morning to you all. I respectfully declare these proceedings opened, this, the 18th day of January 1999. These proceedings being amongst the first to be held by the Truth and Reconciliation's Amnesty Committee in the new year. Before we commence, may I welcome you all and take ... REV XUNDU: Thank you Mam Qhomasi. You have your story here in this statement which is the same as what was said by other people so I am not going to bother you much by asking you to say it again. Except that I would like to confirm whether you were one of those people who were in that crowd and ... MS CRICHTON: And when these people came, you spoke to MR MATHEBULA: Yes, there were people in Compol who'd intercept the post. They would fetch the post at the post office. MR SANDI: In your statement you said you were there when the people were shot at Bisho and today you are going to tell us about what you saw and what happened to you. I will hand over to you so that you tell the Commission about what happened to you. MR MARHINQI: What I did, I was requested to be among the other people who would organise firearms. The community would meet and collect some money and thereafter the money would be given to a certain gentleman, there was a name, maybe that person was a treasurer or something, and after that he ... MS KIVA: Yes, people were assaulted that year. MR FRANCIS: Well we had a discussion, I had a discussion together with Dr Veejay Ramlakan. I think it was the night before the actual operation. We looked at the target itself and we saw the approximity of the houses around Mr Rajbansi. My advice was to Dr Ramlakan then, was that you must sure ... It is also clear, Chairperson, that there was no material benefit for this applicant, for him to have participated in these actions and finally I submit, Chairperson, that the incidents and the attacks, were purely politically motivated, there was no other reason that the applicant could have ... CHAIRPERSON: We are nearly an hour late and apart from the inconvenience that it is causing to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, to the legal people who are present, it also involves financial considerations. Money is wasted by delays such as this and I will see that steps are taken on ... ... shop on his way to Nyawuza's scrapyard where he lived, he saw Zikhali's car driving past him. Ten youngsters alighted from the car and walked towards the scrapyard. He heard gunshots at the scrapyard, being fired by these youngsters. A Ndlovu boy and one of the ANC youngsters were ... MR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. MR NDLOVU: Okay, at the time everybody, almost everyone knew that those apartheid structures, be it councillors or any other form of administration were actually targeted by the ANC and the armed wing to actually undermine those structures, to render the country ungovernable, to make sure that ... MR CRAUSE: Yes. The people who were present there, that I can remember were Gen Liebenberg, Gen Erasmus, Gen Schutte, Gen Steyn, Brig Loots, Brig Oosthuizen, Commandant Naude, Capt du Preez Smit. I agree with these people completely. And do you know of other cases of people, you said that 20 were detained at the same time that you were detained, do you know if they were also tortured, did they discuss any of what happened to them with you? ... group sustained fewer casualties since the IFP group were exposed where they were gathered in the street during the battle. Applicant is unaware of the identities of the ... I am sorry about the noise that you have to compete with - it’s quite a dramatic wind outside today. You have given us a very strong picture of the way in which in those years the authority figures of the time felt that they could do anything. That the state of emergency gave them powers to ... MR GWENTSHE: I am sorry, excuse me Mr Chairperson, before we could proceed, were you not the Commission, panel afford me an opportunity to speaking about the Gwentshes' like people like Alcott Gwentshe, Irene Gwentshe, Mzwandile Gwentshe, Mzimkulu Gwentshe. The reason for me ... |
