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people's warExplanation Showing 241 to 260 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 9 •10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 Next Page•Last PageWhen the fight started there was a group of 11 to 12 IFP members present who had traditional weapons. He was the only person who shot anybody. He did not hear anyone ask them if they were Zulu but fired at people who were armed to protect his comrades. He later denied he heard any shots. When ... Right, so they were helping you to provide a meeting where people could come and talk about their problems. MR SHANE: So you got shot by these, one of these white people. Is that correct? MR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. MR MNGUNI: The people were killing us in such a way that it was possible for us to engage in fighting and killing them ultimately in the event of us coming across them. MS VAN DER WALT: Very well. Then you continue in paragraph 5 and state that you were there on the farm, that is when you described the activities on the farm, and you state that you thoroughly interrogated Comrade for approximately four days and he confirmed all the information that you had about ... MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA: I see something here in your statement which was not here before, where you mention that this Rastafarian guy kept on coming to the people and would then go back to the police and then you heard them calling out to shoot. The Rasta went to the police then came back to us and ... MR SPHAMBO: Around 1980 I became on of the senior staff members of Kibashe, administration. Basically I went there as a counter-intelligence officer for the African National Congress and later I became the Deputy - I became an acting Chief of Staff of the camp. So during that time, it was a time ... Both, or all these three incidents, it does appear that the applicant was in the company of a superior or of other people he regarded as his own comrades, and in execution of a mission which was tabled or which was agreed upon between the members or was the instructions, the direct instructions of ... I was taken again from the Police Station, Vuyane Police Station. They phoned Tshitale Police Station. I was taken by the Vuyane Police people to the place called next to Elim. The Tshitale police were phoned. The Vuyane police were told that I must be tied, my hands should be tied together, ... MR LAMEY: While doing street patrols in Mamelodi in order to trace these MK people, is that correct? It is therefore quite clear that the deceased was not perceived by the local people as an enemy. Although the applicant contended that he was not living in the old location and it was his first visit to this location, and he had never before this incident, seen a white man in the location, we do ... ... shop on his way to Nyawuza's scrapyard where he lived, he saw Zikhali's car driving past him. Ten youngsters alighted from the car and walked towards the scrapyard. He heard gunshots at the scrapyard, being fired by these youngsters. A Ndlovu boy and one of the ANC youngsters were ... CHAIRPERSON: We are nearly an hour late and apart from the inconvenience that it is causing to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, to the legal people who are present, it also involves financial considerations. Money is wasted by delays such as this and I will see that steps are taken on ... MS MKHIZE: Thank you very much. By coming to the Truth Commission, what were your expectations, because a lot of people are coming and we know we must do something. But even the people are also coming with their own expectations, they need some help. MS YOYO: Then Card said to me, all what you are saying is not acceptable to me. I don't hear it, because I have got a lot of information about you that you go up and down the streets of East London organising people that they should be against the White rule. I agree with these people completely. MR CRAUSE: Yes. The people who were present there, that I can remember were Gen Liebenberg, Gen Erasmus, Gen Schutte, Gen Steyn, Brig Loots, Brig Oosthuizen, Commandant Naude, Capt du Preez Smit. Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... |
