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people's warExplanation Showing 261 to 280 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: Would you agree that in the violence that occurred during that time, and in particular I am talking about the Tokoza area, many people died? ADV DE JAGER: If you could just tell us that it appears on such and such a page and confirm it, then we would be satisfied, because I am not interested in where people were born or which schools they attended. MR GOBIZEMBE: I left this country in 1976 and went into exile. When I got to Angola I was not trusted like others and was not treated well, I didn’t stay comfortably from the day that I arrived there. I said that I came to join the ANC but they didn’t trust me and regarded me as a State Agent ... MR NGHOBENI: "I wanted the community amongst whom I resided to realise that I had been falsely arrested because the police who had arrested me had shown or rendered evidence to the effect that uMkhonto weSizwe members were responsible for killing people." MR VISSER: He was in Botswana, he met these people, and what happened then? MRS MPANDE: There was a lot of interruption. Every night they use to surround the fence. They use to ask the people, what do you want here, go away and what. The roads were blocked from Beaufort Street top up to upper Ragland Road, cars could not go past. Certainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... MR VISSER: Chairperson, we are talking about something which has happened more than 10 years ago, 1987, 12 years ago. It is possible that either Coetzee or Olifant might be mistaken. Coetzee gives the explanation, he says that it was very important that the instructions had to be carried, ... MR BOSCH: Yes, there was some movement, people were walking in and out at that stage. MS THABETHE: Mr Chair, I did ask him about it, he says he doesn't know the names of the people who actually carried out the assault, all he remembers is that from Maseru he was taken to Parys and from Parys he was taken to Bloemfontein and he was assaulted when he arrived at Parys but I didn't want ... ... it is because we were fleeing and we were not caught in Upington. I remained in those cells and it was very, very poor circumstances. Some of the warders and the officers, they swore at us especially when most of the comrades went out they swore at us. Sometimes we had to fight against these ... DR BORAINE: Good. That is excellent. Mrs Mokhonwana, you have come to tell the story of your son, Obed, and we have been listening since early this morning about the KwaNdebele massacre, as it has become known, when at least nine people were killed and one of them was your son and you carry that ... MS NOVEMBER: The area was quite dark. It had poor lighting in that area and it was placed in front of the door and mostly we, what we'd also noticed in that area, normally the litter gathers around the doorway and the milk carton was also part of the litter, like it was dirty and people were - ... In response to this inquiry Mlambisa testified that "The killing of white people would put pressure on the white government to return the land to the African people", whilst Mkhumbuzi said if there was violence in white areas the government would pay attention to their grievances of returning the ... And you said in your statement that there were other people who were also tortured in detention apart form your son and you’ve mentioned the name of Babela Ngada. Is that correct. DR ORR: Thank you chair, Agnes before we start can I just say that we've had complaints that the sound is very bad, so if you can move the microphone as close to your mouth as possible and speak into it, thank you very much. Thank you for being here, I know in terms of work commitments it's ... MR KOOPEDI: And what political motivation would you say you people had to have killed Alex Mashaba? ... only? That is the only evidence you had about the movements of the Modimeng family? This evidence that you are telling me now, that you were aware, was it only the information from the informants only, or you had other people from your branch, just like you did Mr Pretorius, this one was ... MR HATTINGH: One may be aware of the people around or that there are other people shooting elsewhere. You may see who it is but your attention is not drawn to the members of your unit but rather to the people whom you have to attack. ADV SANDI: Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Vermeulen, if this thing about people getting plots for participation, if the coup had been successful in the Transkei, why did you not say in your affidavit, that this was just a joke? |
