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people's warExplanation Showing 261 to 280 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 Next Page•Last PageBut having said that, I want to make it very clear that we understand the feelings that go through those who lost their people in the events about which we are going to be taking evidence from witnesses. But I want to emphasise that our training and the attitude of the Commission and this ... MS DANO: I am positive that he would be giving a list of people who had beaten him up. Incident 13: The assault of torturing of a member or members of a group of 19 people arrested at Ladybrand on 6 April 1986. The applicant testified that he assaulted members of the above group after they were detained at Fountains Police Station at Bloemfontein. The Committee is satisfied that ... ... shop on his way to Nyawuza's scrapyard where he lived, he saw Zikhali's car driving past him. Ten youngsters alighted from the car and walked towards the scrapyard. He heard gunshots at the scrapyard, being fired by these youngsters. A Ndlovu boy and one of the ANC youngsters were ... MR SHANE: So you got shot by these, one of these white people. Is that correct? Right, so they were helping you to provide a meeting where people could come and talk about their problems. MR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. MR NDLOVU: Okay, at the time everybody, almost everyone knew that those apartheid structures, be it councillors or any other form of administration were actually targeted by the ANC and the armed wing to actually undermine those structures, to render the country ungovernable, to make sure that ... MR CRAUSE: Yes. The people who were present there, that I can remember were Gen Liebenberg, Gen Erasmus, Gen Schutte, Gen Steyn, Brig Loots, Brig Oosthuizen, Commandant Naude, Capt du Preez Smit. Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. When the fight started there was a group of 11 to 12 IFP members present who had traditional weapons. He was the only person who shot anybody. He did not hear anyone ask them if they were Zulu but fired at people who were armed to protect his comrades. He later denied he heard any shots. When ... On the next day the group armed with firearms, ammunition, hand grenades and petrol bombs attacked the King William's Town Golf Club at approximately 21H50. A year-end dinner was being held by the King William's Town Wine Circle in the dining hall and a number of people were in the bar of ... MR LAMEY: While doing street patrols in Mamelodi in order to trace these MK people, is that correct? It is therefore quite clear that the deceased was not perceived by the local people as an enemy. Although the applicant contended that he was not living in the old location and it was his first visit to this location, and he had never before this incident, seen a white man in the location, we do ... I agree with these people completely. CHAIRPERSON: We are nearly an hour late and apart from the inconvenience that it is causing to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, to the legal people who are present, it also involves financial considerations. Money is wasted by delays such as this and I will see that steps are taken on ... MS MKHIZE: Thank you very much. By coming to the Truth Commission, what were your expectations, because a lot of people are coming and we know we must do something. But even the people are also coming with their own expectations, they need some help. CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, can I interrupt, as I understand the position, once you came down into Natal, you were then under the instructions of the Natal Security People? MS YOYO: Then Card said to me, all what you are saying is not acceptable to me. I don't hear it, because I have got a lot of information about you that you go up and down the streets of East London organising people that they should be against the White rule. |
