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people's warExplanation Showing 261 to 280 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 Next Page•Last PageMR HATTINGH: One may be aware of the people around or that there are other people shooting elsewhere. You may see who it is but your attention is not drawn to the members of your unit but rather to the people whom you have to attack. ADV SANDI: Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Vermeulen, if this thing about people getting plots for participation, if the coup had been successful in the Transkei, why did you not say in your affidavit, that this was just a joke? Sit a little bit nearer to the microphone so that other people can hear you. Thank you. Before we begin, may I ask you to stand to take the oath. MR NDLOVU: Okay, at the time everybody, almost everyone knew that those apartheid structures, be it councillors or any other form of administration were actually targeted by the ANC and the armed wing to actually undermine those structures, to render the country ungovernable, to make sure that ... Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. It is therefore quite clear that the deceased was not perceived by the local people as an enemy. Although the applicant contended that he was not living in the old location and it was his first visit to this location, and he had never before this incident, seen a white man in the location, we do ... Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... CHAIRPERSON: We are nearly an hour late and apart from the inconvenience that it is causing to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, to the legal people who are present, it also involves financial considerations. Money is wasted by delays such as this and I will see that steps are taken on ... MR MARHINQI: What I did, I was requested to be among the other people who would organise firearms. The community would meet and collect some money and thereafter the money would be given to a certain gentleman, there was a name, maybe that person was a treasurer or something, and after that he ... MR LAMEY: While doing street patrols in Mamelodi in order to trace these MK people, is that correct? MR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. "I have indicated that it was Mr Morgan Phehlane, Susan Phehlane, Edward Phehlane, Rabana Mudsi ... and a certain Mr Buda ... were the people who were supposed to be removed." When the fight started there was a group of 11 to 12 IFP members present who had traditional weapons. He was the only person who shot anybody. He did not hear anyone ask them if they were Zulu but fired at people who were armed to protect his comrades. He later denied he heard any shots. When ... Right, so they were helping you to provide a meeting where people could come and talk about their problems. MR SHANE: So you got shot by these, one of these white people. Is that correct? MR CRAUSE: Yes. The people who were present there, that I can remember were Gen Liebenberg, Gen Erasmus, Gen Schutte, Gen Steyn, Brig Loots, Brig Oosthuizen, Commandant Naude, Capt du Preez Smit. I agree with these people completely. It is also clear, Chairperson, that there was no material benefit for this applicant, for him to have participated in these actions and finally I submit, Chairperson, that the incidents and the attacks, were purely politically motivated, there was no other reason that the applicant could have ... MR FRANCIS: Well we had a discussion, I had a discussion together with Dr Veejay Ramlakan. I think it was the night before the actual operation. We looked at the target itself and we saw the approximity of the houses around Mr Rajbansi. My advice was to Dr Ramlakan then, was that you must sure ... ... group sustained fewer casualties since the IFP group were exposed where they were gathered in the street during the battle. Applicant is unaware of the identities of the ... |
