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people's warExplanation Showing 261 to 280 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 Next Page•Last PageMS TSHABALALA: This has become a family matter. There is a thing that we didn't discuss much, it seems as if it's something wrong that he did that caused his arrest. As a family and others we are the only people who knew exactly what happened. MR MTHETHWA: What they told us was that during that time the ANC was fighting for the freedom of the people and they wanted there to be negotiations between the Black as well as the White people, but it seems the White people didn't want to understand the viewpoint of the Black people. That is ... ADV SANDI: Were these people looking for your husband who is sitting next to you now? DR BORAINE: Good. That is excellent. Mrs Mokhonwana, you have come to tell the story of your son, Obed, and we have been listening since early this morning about the KwaNdebele massacre, as it has become known, when at least nine people were killed and one of them was your son and you carry that ... MS VAN DER WALT: Very well. Then you continue in paragraph 5 and state that you were there on the farm, that is when you described the activities on the farm, and you state that you thoroughly interrogated Comrade for approximately four days and he confirmed all the information that you had about ... Later that day there was another attack by the IFP in the area where the applicant and some of the ANC people lived. The applicant and his friends thought of defending themselves but as they were hopelessly outnumbered, they fled from the area. The applicant said that Sitofu was among the ... MS VILAKAZI: I would be in a position to do so, although it would be hearsay. It would be better conveyed by the family itself, but from the consultation, what came to light is the fact that there have been personal problems, call it jealousy if you wish, between the deceased, his family and ... MS GOBODO-MADIKIZELA: I see something here in your statement which was not here before, where you mention that this Rastafarian guy kept on coming to the people and would then go back to the police and then you heard them calling out to shoot. The Rasta went to the police then came back to us and ... Both, or all these three incidents, it does appear that the applicant was in the company of a superior or of other people he regarded as his own comrades, and in execution of a mission which was tabled or which was agreed upon between the members or was the instructions, the direct instructions of ... I was taken again from the Police Station, Vuyane Police Station. They phoned Tshitale Police Station. I was taken by the Vuyane Police people to the place called next to Elim. The Tshitale police were phoned. The Vuyane police were told that I must be tied, my hands should be tied together, ... This, obviously, annoyed the ANC and their committee in exile decided that I had to be eliminated. A letter was written to the Rivonia High Command by Theunissen Makiwane, who was then in charge of the ANC office in Dar es Salaam while Oliver Thambo was in London. This letter was then sent to ... MS VAN DER WALT: Were you in any way involved with the preparation or the identification of the houses and any monitoring, to determine how many people would be inside the houses? MS MKHIZE: Now that you are here at the Commission you also said Andrew had a child and you will appreciate if you could get some aid or help. What else would you require the Commission to help you with regarding the grandchild? You also stated that you would like us to help find your son. Is ... MRS LEDWABA: When people had gone to funerals there were many Hippos. People were not even able to eat after the funerals because the police and the soldiers were shooting teargas. I buried my son with the help of the Church congregation. When we left for the cemetery the Hippos were also ... And he - she told me that my brother was shot in Street 10 and I woke up I was shocked - I went to my uncle in Street 5. Because my brother was in my uncle’s house and I told my uncle that my brother was shot in Street 10. We both went there and we heard people crying there in Street 10. My ... MR KOLISI: He was still very young. Besides the fact that he was very young, I would like to get into my story. At the time when he was still at home he was talking about the political situation and also the youth and it was apparent to me that they were having meetings, they were known as COSAS ... ADV GCABASHE: You are saying there were lots of people at home, your home? MR MNGUNI: The people were killing us in such a way that it was possible for us to engage in fighting and killing them ultimately in the event of us coming across them. Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. |
