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people's warExplanation Showing 261 to 280 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 10 •11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 Next Page•Last PageADV DE JAGER: If you could just tell us that it appears on such and such a page and confirm it, then we would be satisfied, because I am not interested in where people were born or which schools they attended. CHAIRPERSON: Would you agree that in the violence that occurred during that time, and in particular I am talking about the Tokoza area, many people died? MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, the first time I heard mention of a problem was on the journey back, it was a discussion between Mr de Kock and Brig Schoon and Mr de Kock said words to the effect that why is it necessary for us to always have to sort out other people's problems. Brig Schoon's reply to that ... Incident 13: The assault of torturing of a member or members of a group of 19 people arrested at Ladybrand on 6 April 1986. The applicant testified that he assaulted members of the above group after they were detained at Fountains Police Station at Bloemfontein. The Committee is satisfied that ... MS DANO: I am positive that he would be giving a list of people who had beaten him up. But having said that, I want to make it very clear that we understand the feelings that go through those who lost their people in the events about which we are going to be taking evidence from witnesses. But I want to emphasise that our training and the attitude of the Commission and this ... MR HATTINGH: One may be aware of the people around or that there are other people shooting elsewhere. You may see who it is but your attention is not drawn to the members of your unit but rather to the people whom you have to attack. ADV SANDI: Thank you Mr Chairman. Mr Vermeulen, if this thing about people getting plots for participation, if the coup had been successful in the Transkei, why did you not say in your affidavit, that this was just a joke? MRS NQIQHI: No. At that time he was in jail for having stabbed Tando Sisant in the neck. He was sentenced to six months' he was at St. Alberts and I used to go there and tell him about the situation where the people were being murdered by necklace. that time I was sleeping at my place of work, but I was off on that Friday, and on my arrival my sister-in-law said the Special branch people were here again, looking for malawu. DR BORAINE: Good. That is excellent. Mrs Mokhonwana, you have come to tell the story of your son, Obed, and we have been listening since early this morning about the KwaNdebele massacre, as it has become known, when at least nine people were killed and one of them was your son and you carry that ... MS NOVEMBER: The area was quite dark. It had poor lighting in that area and it was placed in front of the door and mostly we, what we'd also noticed in that area, normally the litter gathers around the doorway and the milk carton was also part of the litter, like it was dirty and people were - ... MR BOSCH: Yes, there was some movement, people were walking in and out at that stage. MS THABETHE: Mr Chair, I did ask him about it, he says he doesn't know the names of the people who actually carried out the assault, all he remembers is that from Maseru he was taken to Parys and from Parys he was taken to Bloemfontein and he was assaulted when he arrived at Parys but I didn't want ... ... it is because we were fleeing and we were not caught in Upington. I remained in those cells and it was very, very poor circumstances. Some of the warders and the officers, they swore at us especially when most of the comrades went out they swore at us. Sometimes we had to fight against these ... He then asked for Wellington, because he said there are people here who have come to burn him. I then warned him to hide either under the bed or in the wardrobe. When I looked through the window, there was a whole horde of people. MR ROBEY: They said they had a bit of difficulty when the incident took place, when the shooting started. A lot of people tried to surround them, they then, when they were running back to the vehicle, they fired a couple of shots in the air because there was a group of people trying to surround ... MR VISSER: Chairperson, we are talking about something which has happened more than 10 years ago, 1987, 12 years ago. It is possible that either Coetzee or Olifant might be mistaken. Coetzee gives the explanation, he says that it was very important that the instructions had to be carried, ... "First we decided that the Bontheuwel Rent Office was going to be a target and then we had to do reconnaissance work ensuring that nobody should get hurt in the incident, whether it was safe to do it, whether there were people using the street at that time of the night and that was what we first ... CHAIRPERSON: So none of the other people who gave evidence to us were there when the first body was burnt? |
