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people's warExplanation Showing 281 to 300 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 11 •12 •13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 Next Page•Last Page3.1 They stole the vehicle (i) so as to be able to move around, (ii) to steal or rob people or institutions of weapons on a small scale and later, using these ill-gotten weapons (iii) attack bigger depots for more weapons and then (iv) arm as many people as they would have in the meantime recruited ... MEMBER OF PANEL: Mr Acting Chairperson, I would like to call upon Mrs Makiwane. Mrs Makiwane, before I can request that you can take an oath I would like to confirm the statement that you have given me. I would like to state that we are prepared to listen to your presentation so that if there are ... MR NORTJE: There were plantations and Hanton told me specifically that it wouldn't be a problem to leave the body there because there were not many people in the area and a possibility existed that wild animals would destroy the body ultimately. DR ORR: Thank you chair, Agnes before we start can I just say that we've had complaints that the sound is very bad, so if you can move the microphone as close to your mouth as possible and speak into it, thank you very much. Thank you for being here, I know in terms of work commitments it's ... And you said in your statement that there were other people who were also tortured in detention apart form your son and you’ve mentioned the name of Babela Ngada. Is that correct. MS TSHABALALA: This has become a family matter. There is a thing that we didn't discuss much, it seems as if it's something wrong that he did that caused his arrest. As a family and others we are the only people who knew exactly what happened. MR MTHETHWA: What they told us was that during that time the ANC was fighting for the freedom of the people and they wanted there to be negotiations between the Black as well as the White people, but it seems the White people didn't want to understand the viewpoint of the Black people. That is ... ADV SANDI: Were these people looking for your husband who is sitting next to you now? CHIEF MARAI: I think my mother gave in her statement. I don’t think it will differ much from what I’m going to say, because I was the one who told them everything in 1982 when I was in Lesotho. This happened at night. My brother also got hurt there. My brother was beaten that night when I ... She stated that she and her husband and child went to Pretoria at approximately 15h00 on 1st August 1993. Their visit to Pretoria was unplanned and they left for Pretoria without any notice on an urgent basis. She accordingly denied the 1st Applicant's version that they were told during the ... MR LAMEY: Then the suggestion is also created in this regard that here you simply set up people to have them shot, that you set them up in a robbery merely to shoot them. If you were to think back, would you have continued with the operation if these persons had not indicated any intention to ... I just wanted it to be in the record, that is why I am asking you again. But we all remember very well what you told us at our first public hearing. And we remember the story of how those seven young men were shot and killed - of the funeral that happened about 10 or 12 days later with the ... MR MBANDAZAYO: Thank you Mr Chairperson. Just before, Mr Chairperson, I address the Committee which I'll be short, I'd like to say something with regard to what has been - statement by Captain Snyman and the other victim. I wish just to say to them that on behalf of the applicants, I've spoken to ... MR NAGI: We were arrested because the boers wanted to know, the people who crossed the border to Zambia. These people were Diliza Ghandi and others. He looked morbid. I asked Toto for the third time where Deliswa was. He then said she has been injured, she had been shot. I walked out, walked towards the gate, but I went back into the house. I walked around the street. I wanted to go to where she had been shot. I asked Toto where my ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, the first time I heard mention of a problem was on the journey back, it was a discussion between Mr de Kock and Brig Schoon and Mr de Kock said words to the effect that why is it necessary for us to always have to sort out other people's problems. Brig Schoon's reply to that ... Certainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... The second applicant and another stabbed two of the people who they assumed to be those because they used these words. One was killed, the other rand away. On their was home they suddenly decided to go and kill one Elizabeth Zandime Khumalo, whom they knew her to be in opposition to the IFP ... ADV DE JAGER: If you could just tell us that it appears on such and such a page and confirm it, then we would be satisfied, because I am not interested in where people were born or which schools they attended. CHAIRPERSON: Would you agree that in the violence that occurred during that time, and in particular I am talking about the Tokoza area, many people died? |
