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people's warExplanation Showing 321 to 340 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 Next Page•Last PageCertainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... The second applicant and another stabbed two of the people who they assumed to be those because they used these words. One was killed, the other rand away. On their was home they suddenly decided to go and kill one Elizabeth Zandime Khumalo, whom they knew her to be in opposition to the IFP ... MR VISSER: He was in Botswana, he met these people, and what happened then? MR NGHOBENI: "I wanted the community amongst whom I resided to realise that I had been falsely arrested because the police who had arrested me had shown or rendered evidence to the effect that uMkhonto weSizwe members were responsible for killing people." ADV DE JAGER: If you could just tell us that it appears on such and such a page and confirm it, then we would be satisfied, because I am not interested in where people were born or which schools they attended. CHAIRPERSON: Would you agree that in the violence that occurred during that time, and in particular I am talking about the Tokoza area, many people died? CHAIRPERSON: But I wouldn't have thought that you people in the Security Police would have tapped each other's phones? MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, the first time I heard mention of a problem was on the journey back, it was a discussion between Mr de Kock and Brig Schoon and Mr de Kock said words to the effect that why is it necessary for us to always have to sort out other people's problems. Brig Schoon's reply to that ... I was involved in the Inauguration of this hall, I went home to buy some cigarettes. I was just standing there and I went to the shop. It was just in between the hall and the Montana Cafè, I was standing there counting my money. While I was counting the money people shouted: The evidence of the applicant was not satisfactory in regard to the instructions he received from Bhuquza Mbonambi. In response to questions contained in the application form for amnesty relating to whether the offences were committed in execution of an order and who gave the order, the applicant ... The attackers left behind death and destruction. Of the 13 people who lost their lives, 9 were very young. Some were 1 year, 3 years, 5 years and 7 years of age. The other four were; Xulu's wife Nelsisiwe who had been hacked to death outside the house; Xulu's son, Jabulani; his daughter ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, we'd all been drinking and I didn't feel that the canteen was the place ...(indistinct) the time to question people. MR LAMEY: Then the suggestion is also created in this regard that here you simply set up people to have them shot, that you set them up in a robbery merely to shoot them. If you were to think back, would you have continued with the operation if these persons had not indicated any intention to ... She stated that she and her husband and child went to Pretoria at approximately 15h00 on 1st August 1993. Their visit to Pretoria was unplanned and they left for Pretoria without any notice on an urgent basis. She accordingly denied the 1st Applicant's version that they were told during the ... And do you know of other cases of people, you said that 20 were detained at the same time that you were detained, do you know if they were also tortured, did they discuss any of what happened to them with you? Various efforts were attempted, including resorting to the assistance of the police and no help ...[indistinct] the way of the community. The community tried its own endeavours, firstly by talking to the parents of the criminals concerned, in some instances assaulting them and in some instances ... MS SKEPU: On the 7th of September my husband got up in the morning and went to the march in Bisho. We stayed together with our little child. Our child was seven at the time. I looked up to my husband, even the child looked up to the father. My husband then went to Bisho. At about one o'clock I ... When I regained consciousness I was in a car, a bakkie. We were taken to the hospital. I was told to take off my clothes. I lost consciousness again. On the following morning the man who knocked down these people came to see us in the hospital. Our doctor said that we were children from the ... The Committee is of the opinion that a decision regarding this incident should be postponed until evidence in other applications relating to the same incident has been heard. The applicant mentioned the names of Messrs. Eugene de Kock, Chappies Klopper, Willie Nortje, Sarel Jansen van Rensburg, ... The question that remains to be answered is whether this kidnapping was associated with a political objective? On the evidence before us the purpose of the meeting was to confront him with allegations that he made common cause with one Sipho Pungola who was believed to be an askari and further ... |
