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people's warExplanation Showing 321 to 340 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 Next Page•Last Page I agree with these people completely. MR CRAUSE: Yes. The people who were present there, that I can remember were Gen Liebenberg, Gen Erasmus, Gen Schutte, Gen Steyn, Brig Loots, Brig Oosthuizen, Commandant Naude, Capt du Preez Smit. Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. Right, so they were helping you to provide a meeting where people could come and talk about their problems. MR MARHINQI: What I did, I was requested to be among the other people who would organise firearms. The community would meet and collect some money and thereafter the money would be given to a certain gentleman, there was a name, maybe that person was a treasurer or something, and after that he ... MR NDLOVU: Okay, at the time everybody, almost everyone knew that those apartheid structures, be it councillors or any other form of administration were actually targeted by the ANC and the armed wing to actually undermine those structures, to render the country ungovernable, to make sure that ... MS SKHOSANA:: I was not at home, I was at my friends. Sometimes I used to sleep over at my friends. It seems as if those people weren't home and they didn't find me. MS KIVA: Yes, people were assaulted that year. MRS SIKHOSANA: I thank you. On that day, if my memory serves me right, it was on the seventh. When I got home from the funeral I was cold because my son had been shot by the Councillor. What I was told was that there was no conflict at all. There seems to be a misunderstanding here. What I ... MR SANDI: In your statement you said you were there when the people were shot at Bisho and today you are going to tell us about what you saw and what happened to you. I will hand over to you so that you tell the Commission about what happened to you. CHAIRPERSON: Did you - when you laid the explosive device, what were your intentions with regard to injuring or killing people, if any? ... as far as we could establish. In all the local newspapers there was advertisements placed last year as well as this year. Only one person came forward which is Ms Collette Dawson. Ms Dawson was available yesterday, she's actually present here today, she's one of the victims in this matter and ... DR BORAINE: Good. It is nice to see a smile. Mrs Malobola, you are one of many people who were involved in the KwaNdebele massacre where many, many people lost their lives and one of them was your grandson and you have come to tell us your story today. Your heart must be full of pain as you ... ... the book. They came to me and they asked where are others. I said who are you talking about. They then looked under the bed and they opened the wardrobe. ADV SANDI: According to your knowledge, were there reasons for them, for searching for you, for looking for ... I am sorry about the noise that you have to compete with - it’s quite a dramatic wind outside today. You have given us a very strong picture of the way in which in those years the authority figures of the time felt that they could do anything. That the state of emergency gave them powers to ... MR FRANCIS: Well we had a discussion, I had a discussion together with Dr Veejay Ramlakan. I think it was the night before the actual operation. We looked at the target itself and we saw the approximity of the houses around Mr Rajbansi. My advice was to Dr Ramlakan then, was that you must sure ... It is also clear, Chairperson, that there was no material benefit for this applicant, for him to have participated in these actions and finally I submit, Chairperson, that the incidents and the attacks, were purely politically motivated, there was no other reason that the applicant could have ... ... group sustained fewer casualties since the IFP group were exposed where they were gathered in the street during the battle. Applicant is unaware of the identities of the ... CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, can I interrupt, as I understand the position, once you came down into Natal, you were then under the instructions of the Natal Security People? |
