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people's warExplanation Showing 321 to 340 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 13 •14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 Next Page•Last PageI am sorry about the noise that you have to compete with - it’s quite a dramatic wind outside today. You have given us a very strong picture of the way in which in those years the authority figures of the time felt that they could do anything. That the state of emergency gave them powers to ... MRS BOOYSE: Sir, what I would like to say is that I thank the Lord for having gathered us here today with people like you to find out our problems. I thought that my son's case has disappeared in thin air, but today I am able to testify. DR ORR: Thank you Chairperson. Mr Jacobs thank you very much for coming here today. Who are the people with you? --- These are my two daughters. Your testimony concerns an experience that you had in July 1985 which is also indicative of the situation at that time and the way in which people were treated by the security forces, particularly the police. Now would you like to tell us what happened to you in July 1985. MR MAKGAE: You know it was a tendency around this area for people to come to a funeral. ... shop on his way to Nyawuza's scrapyard where he lived, he saw Zikhali's car driving past him. Ten youngsters alighted from the car and walked towards the scrapyard. He heard gunshots at the scrapyard, being fired by these youngsters. A Ndlovu boy and one of the ANC youngsters were ... CHAIRPERSON: Did you - when you laid the explosive device, what were your intentions with regard to injuring or killing people, if any? MR FRANCIS: Well we had a discussion, I had a discussion together with Dr Veejay Ramlakan. I think it was the night before the actual operation. We looked at the target itself and we saw the approximity of the houses around Mr Rajbansi. My advice was to Dr Ramlakan then, was that you must sure ... When I arrived at home I spent a few minutes when Ndlovu arrived from the hospital. He said where is Norman. I said Norman is arrested, I don't know where he is at this present moment. She said to me Norman is not alive any more. I said what do you tell me? I asked her where did you see him. She ... That's right, thank you. I had some reservations about coming forward but I feel now that it's imperative for people to come forward, to get to the truth of what has happened in South Africa. The role of teachers in the time of the unrest, was very important. But before I go onto that, I would like ... "I have indicated that it was Mr Morgan Phehlane, Susan Phehlane, Edward Phehlane, Rabana Mudsi ... and a certain Mr Buda ... were the people who were supposed to be removed." ADV SANDI: Were these people looking for your husband who is sitting next to you now? MR SANDI: In your statement you said you were there when the people were shot at Bisho and today you are going to tell us about what you saw and what happened to you. I will hand over to you so that you tell the Commission about what happened to you. "At the time it was common knowledge that the police were collaborating in harassing the ANC. There had been many instances where people, that is ANC people had been killed, shot at. At one time a house attack, that is the Midlands Chairperson, Mr Harry Gwala, which had been attacked by these ... Well I can’t really say, because I was working, but there were quite a few people around the ambulance, a lot of policeman. three days to take evidence and they wanted to take a statement from me. Firstly one man who was a member of the ANC by the name of Bomba came to my place with other people whom I didn't know, they said to me that when police come to you you mustn't give them a statement. The police came and they ... On 15 March, I was a member of those people who were taking the memorandum. He read the memorandum, he explained to us that 20 minutes we should disperse. When we were supposed to disperse, they gave an order that the police should shoot us. It was terrible. For two weeks I was on tranquilisers and I didn’t know what was going on. People came to see me but I cannot remember who came. From then on we suffered. I lost my car because I could not afford to pay it as my husband used to pay it. I couldn’t afford the rent so I had to sell some of my ... MS VAN DER WALT: Were you in any way involved with the preparation or the identification of the houses and any monitoring, to determine how many people would be inside the houses? ... when a Springbok Patrol vehicle passed that place and they could not continue with the robbery. My question to you Mr de Kock is whether you are aware that the first attempt to rob Coin Security took place approximately a day or two before the Carousel ... |
