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people's warExplanation Showing 341 to 360 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 Next Page•Last PageMR LAMEY: Then the suggestion is also created in this regard that here you simply set up people to have them shot, that you set them up in a robbery merely to shoot them. If you were to think back, would you have continued with the operation if these persons had not indicated any intention to ... CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, can I interrupt, as I understand the position, once you came down into Natal, you were then under the instructions of the Natal Security People? After that, a week later, we buried my daughter. There were 11 people who had been shot by the police at the time. They were all buried at 49 Guguletu Stadium. MR NORTJE: There were plantations and Hanton told me specifically that it wouldn't be a problem to leave the body there because there were not many people in the area and a possibility existed that wild animals would destroy the body ultimately. MR BOKABA: Chairperson, let me explain it this way. The people who went to fetch this person, was Paul van Vuuren and Joe Mamasela. We knew about this operation because we were waiting in a kombi somewhere in Mamelodi, with Dennis Selatle and Hechter. We knew about this operation at that ... ... it is because we were fleeing and we were not caught in Upington. I remained in those cells and it was very, very poor circumstances. Some of the warders and the officers, they swore at us especially when most of the comrades went out they swore at us. Sometimes we had to fight against these ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, the first time I heard mention of a problem was on the journey back, it was a discussion between Mr de Kock and Brig Schoon and Mr de Kock said words to the effect that why is it necessary for us to always have to sort out other people's problems. Brig Schoon's reply to that ... I was taken again from the Police Station, Vuyane Police Station. They phoned Tshitale Police Station. I was taken by the Vuyane Police people to the place called next to Elim. The Tshitale police were phoned. The Vuyane police were told that I must be tied, my hands should be tied together, ... MR SANDI: Were there people Mrs Bata, who were arrested for this ?. MR CRAUSE: Yes. The people who were present there, that I can remember were Gen Liebenberg, Gen Erasmus, Gen Schutte, Gen Steyn, Brig Loots, Brig Oosthuizen, Commandant Naude, Capt du Preez Smit. The penultimate operation of the hit squad was the murder of Sipho Zulu which took place on 3 December 1992 at Claridge. During May 1992 the 1st Applicant was attacked by a group of people who tried to rob him of a shotgun. Included in the group of attackers was Sipho Zulu and his ... ... only? That is the only evidence you had about the movements of the Modimeng family? This evidence that you are telling me now, that you were aware, was it only the information from the informants only, or you had other people from your branch, just like you did Mr Pretorius, this one was ... Yes, Barnard was there and the employees - people who were working there. There were no other people except Barnard and the people who were working in court. MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, we'd all been drinking and I didn't feel that the canteen was the place ...(indistinct) the time to question people. And you said in your statement that there were other people who were also tortured in detention apart form your son and you’ve mentioned the name of Babela Ngada. Is that correct. In 1986 a state of emergency was declared in South Africa, not for the first time, this was in June, this resulted in many, many people being detained. In fact in 1986 26,000 people were detained and the main targets of this action by the State were students and youth activists. In 1986 children ... ... group sustained fewer casualties since the IFP group were exposed where they were gathered in the street during the battle. Applicant is unaware of the identities of the ... Certainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... MS SKHOSANA:: I was not at home, I was at my friends. Sometimes I used to sleep over at my friends. It seems as if those people weren't home and they didn't find me. INTERPRETER: He is referring to his co-accused, that's the people that he was talking to. |
