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people's warExplanation Showing 341 to 360 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 14 •15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: ...(start of tape) submissions and a ruling on the question relating to the disclosure of the names of certain people. I notice Mr Dreyer is not here but however this aspect does not really concern him, it's a point that was raised by Ms Monyane and it concerns obviously her and ... MS KIVA: Yes, people were assaulted that year. MS SKHOSANA:: I was not at home, I was at my friends. Sometimes I used to sleep over at my friends. It seems as if those people weren't home and they didn't find me. Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. Right, so they were helping you to provide a meeting where people could come and talk about their problems. MR SHANE: So you got shot by these, one of these white people. Is that correct? MR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. It is therefore quite clear that the deceased was not perceived by the local people as an enemy. Although the applicant contended that he was not living in the old location and it was his first visit to this location, and he had never before this incident, seen a white man in the location, we do ... MR LAMEY: While doing street patrols in Mamelodi in order to trace these MK people, is that correct? MR MNGUNI: The people were killing us in such a way that it was possible for us to engage in fighting and killing them ultimately in the event of us coming across them. "I have indicated that it was Mr Morgan Phehlane, Susan Phehlane, Edward Phehlane, Rabana Mudsi ... and a certain Mr Buda ... were the people who were supposed to be removed." When the fight started there was a group of 11 to 12 IFP members present who had traditional weapons. He was the only person who shot anybody. He did not hear anyone ask them if they were Zulu but fired at people who were armed to protect his comrades. He later denied he heard any shots. When ... On the next day the group armed with firearms, ammunition, hand grenades and petrol bombs attacked the King William's Town Golf Club at approximately 21H50. A year-end dinner was being held by the King William's Town Wine Circle in the dining hall and a number of people were in the bar of ... The question that remains to be answered is whether this kidnapping was associated with a political objective? On the evidence before us the purpose of the meeting was to confront him with allegations that he made common cause with one Sipho Pungola who was believed to be an askari and further ... MR CRAUSE: Yes. The people who were present there, that I can remember were Gen Liebenberg, Gen Erasmus, Gen Schutte, Gen Steyn, Brig Loots, Brig Oosthuizen, Commandant Naude, Capt du Preez Smit. CHAIRPERSON: Sorry, can I interrupt, as I understand the position, once you came down into Natal, you were then under the instructions of the Natal Security People? ... group sustained fewer casualties since the IFP group were exposed where they were gathered in the street during the battle. Applicant is unaware of the identities of the ... MS MKHIZE: Thank you very much. By coming to the Truth Commission, what were your expectations, because a lot of people are coming and we know we must do something. But even the people are also coming with their own expectations, they need some help. MS YOYO: Then Card said to me, all what you are saying is not acceptable to me. I don't hear it, because I have got a lot of information about you that you go up and down the streets of East London organising people that they should be against the White rule. |
