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people's warExplanation Showing 361 to 380 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: We are nearly an hour late and apart from the inconvenience that it is causing to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, to the legal people who are present, it also involves financial considerations. Money is wasted by delays such as this and I will see that steps are taken on ... MR MARHINQI: What I did, I was requested to be among the other people who would organise firearms. The community would meet and collect some money and thereafter the money would be given to a certain gentleman, there was a name, maybe that person was a treasurer or something, and after that he ... MR NDLOVU: Okay, at the time everybody, almost everyone knew that those apartheid structures, be it councillors or any other form of administration were actually targeted by the ANC and the armed wing to actually undermine those structures, to render the country ungovernable, to make sure that ... MR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... Right, so they were helping you to provide a meeting where people could come and talk about their problems. MR SHANE: So you got shot by these, one of these white people. Is that correct? CHAIRPERSON: Good morning to you all. I respectfully declare these proceedings opened, this, the 18th day of January 1999. These proceedings being amongst the first to be held by the Truth and Reconciliation's Amnesty Committee in the new year. Before we commence, may I welcome you all and take ... MR LAMEY: While doing street patrols in Mamelodi in order to trace these MK people, is that correct? MR GOBIZEMBE: I left this country in 1976 and went into exile. When I got to Angola I was not trusted like others and was not treated well, I didn’t stay comfortably from the day that I arrived there. I said that I came to join the ANC but they didn’t trust me and regarded me as a State Agent ... E M THUNYISWA: Even if I don't know the people who did this to me, but I would request you to sapina the Warrenton Police Station for the things that they did to people in the past. I have forgiven them. I would like my child to be educated, because my child doesn't have any sister, doesn't have ... MR DLUDLA: I learnt that there were people who had been sent to kill me. These were two Malodgwa sons, who are now deceased. MR JANSEN: Now in your work as a security policeman, how was it that you regarded the ANC, which was an organisation fighting for the liberation and the emancipation of black people, how was it that you as a black person regarded them as your enemy? Kulman testified that he was involved in two (2) farm attacks in the Zastron farming area. In the 1st attack it was himself, Roger and Induna. Kleintjie had already done the reconnaissance and informed them that there were no people who occupied the house. White farmers in the area were believed ... three days to take evidence and they wanted to take a statement from me. Firstly one man who was a member of the ANC by the name of Bomba came to my place with other people whom I didn't know, they said to me that when police come to you you mustn't give them a statement. The police came and they ... INTERPRETER: He is referring to his co-accused, that's the people that he was talking to. DR ORR: Thank you Chairperson. Mr Jacobs thank you very much for coming here today. Who are the people with you? --- These are my two daughters. MR NGUBANE: Thank you Mr Chairman. Indeed we did go to Umbumbulu area in an attempt to find out whether Mr Wasserman would be in a position to point out the spot where Mr Bhila was eliminated. Unfortunately, we had a lot of difficulty, Mr Wasserman couldn't even remember the turn off which they ... When I arrived at home I spent a few minutes when Ndlovu arrived from the hospital. He said where is Norman. I said Norman is arrested, I don't know where he is at this present moment. She said to me Norman is not alive any more. I said what do you tell me? I asked her where did you see him. She ... |
