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people's warExplanation Showing 361 to 380 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: We are nearly an hour late and apart from the inconvenience that it is causing to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, to the legal people who are present, it also involves financial considerations. Money is wasted by delays such as this and I will see that steps are taken on ... MR MARHINQI: What I did, I was requested to be among the other people who would organise firearms. The community would meet and collect some money and thereafter the money would be given to a certain gentleman, there was a name, maybe that person was a treasurer or something, and after that he ... MR NDLOVU: Okay, at the time everybody, almost everyone knew that those apartheid structures, be it councillors or any other form of administration were actually targeted by the ANC and the armed wing to actually undermine those structures, to render the country ungovernable, to make sure that ... MR MAKHAWULA: No, I do not remember because I was never close to these people that we were shooting at. Similarly on the question of proportionality, the context must be considered, he submitted. In those days, Applicant argued, the mere suspicion that one was an informer attracted the most dire consequences, because people's lives and livelihood were at stake. An informer could thus not be ignored. Applicant was asked if he could distinguish a PAC member from an ANC member, and his response was that he could not. He concluded his testimony by stating that he only realises now that they were shooting at the wrong people, explaining that it was not easy to tell ANC persons apart from other ... Right, so they were helping you to provide a meeting where people could come and talk about their problems. MR SHANE: So you got shot by these, one of these white people. Is that correct? REV XUNDU: Thank you Mam Qhomasi. You have your story here in this statement which is the same as what was said by other people so I am not going to bother you much by asking you to say it again. Except that I would like to confirm whether you were one of those people who were in that crowd and ... It is therefore quite clear that the deceased was not perceived by the local people as an enemy. Although the applicant contended that he was not living in the old location and it was his first visit to this location, and he had never before this incident, seen a white man in the location, we do ... This policeman who shot me used to play with the gun. He will just shoot upwards when the people are sitting in Jonas. three days to take evidence and they wanted to take a statement from me. Firstly one man who was a member of the ANC by the name of Bomba came to my place with other people whom I didn't know, they said to me that when police come to you you mustn't give them a statement. The police came and they ... E M THUNYISWA: Even if I don't know the people who did this to me, but I would request you to sapina the Warrenton Police Station for the things that they did to people in the past. I have forgiven them. I would like my child to be educated, because my child doesn't have any sister, doesn't have ... CHAIRPERSON: Would you agree that in the violence that occurred during that time, and in particular I am talking about the Tokoza area, many people died? ADV DE JAGER: If you could just tell us that it appears on such and such a page and confirm it, then we would be satisfied, because I am not interested in where people were born or which schools they attended. CHAIRPERSON: But I wouldn't have thought that you people in the Security Police would have tapped each other's phones? INTERPRETER: He is referring to his co-accused, that's the people that he was talking to. MR NGUBANE: Thank you Mr Chairman. Indeed we did go to Umbumbulu area in an attempt to find out whether Mr Wasserman would be in a position to point out the spot where Mr Bhila was eliminated. Unfortunately, we had a lot of difficulty, Mr Wasserman couldn't even remember the turn off which they ... MRS MNGADI: Yes, they went and took me at home. It was on the 20th of June. The police took me at home. They took me to Algoa Park. From Algoa Park I was transferred to Bethalsdorp Police Station. I was detained there. From there I was transferred to North End Prison. At that time when I was ... MR SANDI: Are these the sacks that the police usually used to torture people? |
