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people's warExplanation Showing 361 to 380 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 Next Page•Last PageMR LAMEY: Then the suggestion is also created in this regard that here you simply set up people to have them shot, that you set them up in a robbery merely to shoot them. If you were to think back, would you have continued with the operation if these persons had not indicated any intention to ... Certainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... The attackers left behind death and destruction. Of the 13 people who lost their lives, 9 were very young. Some were 1 year, 3 years, 5 years and 7 years of age. The other four were; Xulu's wife Nelsisiwe who had been hacked to death outside the house; Xulu's son, Jabulani; his daughter ... The evidence of the applicant was not satisfactory in regard to the instructions he received from Bhuquza Mbonambi. In response to questions contained in the application form for amnesty relating to whether the offences were committed in execution of an order and who gave the order, the applicant ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, we'd all been drinking and I didn't feel that the canteen was the place ...(indistinct) the time to question people. MS NHLAYISI: Can you explain who were the people who were attacking at Slovo, when you were called that you should come and render assistance? MS THABETHE: Mr Chair, I did ask him about it, he says he doesn't know the names of the people who actually carried out the assault, all he remembers is that from Maseru he was taken to Parys and from Parys he was taken to Bloemfontein and he was assaulted when he arrived at Parys but I didn't want ... MR BOSCH: Yes, there was some movement, people were walking in and out at that stage. MR MATHEBE: As people who were fighting for liberation, we knew what we were fighting for. We were not expecting any reward, our only reward was liberation. MR BERGER: The same people that he spoke about, you confirm? each other and you shared with me and with other staff members, quite a bit about your own pain and suffering. Does the briefer want her to move forward a bit? Okay, we know that you have been aware of what other people have said this morning. There were quite a few people who presented to us ... On 15 March, I was a member of those people who were taking the memorandum. He read the memorandum, he explained to us that 20 minutes we should disperse. When we were supposed to disperse, they gave an order that the police should shoot us. It was terrible. Your testimony concerns an experience that you had in July 1985 which is also indicative of the situation at that time and the way in which people were treated by the security forces, particularly the police. Now would you like to tell us what happened to you in July 1985. He asked me to go and look on the other side - in Wespoort Avenue and I went there. I stood at the busstop - myself, a postman and two boys, the 13 year old and the 11 year old. The Riot Squad guys were hiding in other people’s yard. CHAIRPERSON: The reasons for yesterday's premature adjournment was that we needed a particular type of interpreter. This hearing was adjourned till nine o'clock this morning. It is now ten to ten. I speak on behalf of the panel. We are not very happy about that. Since this meeting was ... ... it is because we were fleeing and we were not caught in Upington. I remained in those cells and it was very, very poor circumstances. Some of the warders and the officers, they swore at us especially when most of the comrades went out they swore at us. Sometimes we had to fight against these ... The Committee is satisfied that the attack was associated with a political objective, that the Applicant has made a full disclosure of the role he played in the attack and of the identity of the other people involved. 3rd Applicant's evidence was that he drove the vehicle in which Schoon and 1st Applicant went to the function at Malopo's Oog. He was not part of any of the discussions relating to this incident. On the way back he recalls 1st Applicant and Schoon discussing things about a problem. He recalls ... the police station. My mother was not willing to go, I was not willing to go. Eventually I went. When I arrived at the police station to go and find out what was happening, one of the policemen was very rude to me. He said to me: " Who are you coaming for?" and I said I'm coaming for Jonathan ... to them I could not because I have been affected by the sugar diabetes disease. They said that is no problem as the people in exile will be coming back to the country. They are going to help. |
