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people's warExplanation Showing 361 to 380 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: Good morning to you all. I respectfully declare these proceedings opened, this, the 18th day of January 1999. These proceedings being amongst the first to be held by the Truth and Reconciliation's Amnesty Committee in the new year. Before we commence, may I welcome you all and take ... MDUDUZI GUMBI 1ST APPLICANT (AM0350/96) ROBERT ZUMA 2ND APPLICANT (AM0433/96) DECISION ... No members of the IFP were arrested. However, it was the event of the 25th that lead to the charge and conviction of the applicant for the murder of four people. MR NORTJE: There were plantations and Hanton told me specifically that it wouldn't be a problem to leave the body there because there were not many people in the area and a possibility existed that wild animals would destroy the body ultimately. CHAIRPERSON: ...(start of tape) submissions and a ruling on the question relating to the disclosure of the names of certain people. I notice Mr Dreyer is not here but however this aspect does not really concern him, it's a point that was raised by Ms Monyane and it concerns obviously her and ... Now the last one that made me to run away was in 1988. It was immediately after the coupe and I was told that I was part of the people that organized that. Of which I did not know nothing about. CHAIRPERSON: And then he said further that why they had the lunch hour is that people would go out of the building and it would minimise any casualties to civilians. I think you should put your question in perspective. The evidence of the applicant was not satisfactory in regard to the instructions he received from Bhuquza Mbonambi. In response to questions contained in the application form for amnesty relating to whether the offences were committed in execution of an order and who gave the order, the applicant ... The attackers left behind death and destruction. Of the 13 people who lost their lives, 9 were very young. Some were 1 year, 3 years, 5 years and 7 years of age. The other four were; Xulu's wife Nelsisiwe who had been hacked to death outside the house; Xulu's son, Jabulani; his daughter ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, we'd all been drinking and I didn't feel that the canteen was the place ...(indistinct) the time to question people. MR LAMEY: Then the suggestion is also created in this regard that here you simply set up people to have them shot, that you set them up in a robbery merely to shoot them. If you were to think back, would you have continued with the operation if these persons had not indicated any intention to ... She stated that she and her husband and child went to Pretoria at approximately 15h00 on 1st August 1993. Their visit to Pretoria was unplanned and they left for Pretoria without any notice on an urgent basis. She accordingly denied the 1st Applicant's version that they were told during the ... And do you know of other cases of people, you said that 20 were detained at the same time that you were detained, do you know if they were also tortured, did they discuss any of what happened to them with you? Various efforts were attempted, including resorting to the assistance of the police and no help ...[indistinct] the way of the community. The community tried its own endeavours, firstly by talking to the parents of the criminals concerned, in some instances assaulting them and in some instances ... The Committee is of the opinion that a decision regarding this incident should be postponed until evidence in other applications relating to the same incident has been heard. The applicant mentioned the names of Messrs. Eugene de Kock, Chappies Klopper, Willie Nortje, Sarel Jansen van Rensburg, ... MS SKEPU: On the 7th of September my husband got up in the morning and went to the march in Bisho. We stayed together with our little child. Our child was seven at the time. I looked up to my husband, even the child looked up to the father. My husband then went to Bisho. At about one o'clock I ... The question that remains to be answered is whether this kidnapping was associated with a political objective? On the evidence before us the purpose of the meeting was to confront him with allegations that he made common cause with one Sipho Pungola who was believed to be an askari and further ... On the other hand the applicant and his colleagues were transporting weapons which were to be used in the defence of people who were victims of a vicious political battle. The applicant thought that the occupants of the vehicle from which shots were fired at him and others at Dawn Park were ... Thank you Denzil, Robert what is most shocking about this testimony that you and others before you had given is the senselessness of it all. Just the senseless shooting of people who are unarmed and who were obviously causing no danger and were no danger to the police themselves. What is ... When the policemen from Phalaborwa came, and they got us at the meeting, they came to the Lutheran Church where we were holding the meeting and they threw teargas-canisters at us. Then people started scattering in all directions and ran, but I never ran away. That's when I was taken and ... |
