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people's warExplanation Showing 361 to 380 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 Next Page•Last PageIt is also clear, Chairperson, that there was no material benefit for this applicant, for him to have participated in these actions and finally I submit, Chairperson, that the incidents and the attacks, were purely politically motivated, there was no other reason that the applicant could have ... I am sorry about the noise that you have to compete with - it’s quite a dramatic wind outside today. You have given us a very strong picture of the way in which in those years the authority figures of the time felt that they could do anything. That the state of emergency gave them powers to ... MR GWENTSHE: I am sorry, excuse me Mr Chairperson, before we could proceed, were you not the Commission, panel afford me an opportunity to speaking about the Gwentshes' like people like Alcott Gwentshe, Irene Gwentshe, Mzwandile Gwentshe, Mzimkulu Gwentshe. The reason for me ... ... the book. They came to me and they asked where are others. I said who are you talking about. They then looked under the bed and they opened the wardrobe. ADV SANDI: According to your knowledge, were there reasons for them, for searching for you, for looking for ... Although we do not find that the applicant, on the day of the incident, acted in self-defence or as an active supporter of the ANC of long standing, we are satisfied that in the circumstances that prevailed on that day he acted in support of the sentiments of the people who opposed the Mangope ... CHAIRPERSON: You were connected were you not, with other incidents where explosive devices were sent to people? MR MBANDAZAYO: Thank you Mr Chairperson. Just before, Mr Chairperson, I address the Committee which I'll be short, I'd like to say something with regard to what has been - statement by Captain Snyman and the other victim. I wish just to say to them that on behalf of the applicants, I've spoken to ... The Applicant states that all the operations took place in 1990 and there would be a very short space of time between one attack and the next. Initially he reported to Junior in Botswana but later to Happy Letlapa Mpahlela who, with the unbanning of the liberation organisations, was able to ... I just wanted it to be in the record, that is why I am asking you again. But we all remember very well what you told us at our first public hearing. And we remember the story of how those seven young men were shot and killed - of the funeral that happened about 10 or 12 days later with the ... MR NAGI: We were arrested because the boers wanted to know, the people who crossed the border to Zambia. These people were Diliza Ghandi and others. He looked morbid. I asked Toto for the third time where Deliswa was. He then said she has been injured, she had been shot. I walked out, walked towards the gate, but I went back into the house. I walked around the street. I wanted to go to where she had been shot. I asked Toto where my ... CHAIRPERSON: But I wouldn't have thought that you people in the Security Police would have tapped each other's phones? MS NHLAYISI: Can you explain who were the people who were attacking at Slovo, when you were called that you should come and render assistance? MR NGHOBENI: "I wanted the community amongst whom I resided to realise that I had been falsely arrested because the police who had arrested me had shown or rendered evidence to the effect that uMkhonto weSizwe members were responsible for killing people." MR VISSER: He was in Botswana, he met these people, and what happened then? The second applicant and another stabbed two of the people who they assumed to be those because they used these words. One was killed, the other rand away. On their was home they suddenly decided to go and kill one Elizabeth Zandime Khumalo, whom they knew her to be in opposition to the IFP ... Certainly. --- On the 13th November I was present at the meeting and after the police shot tear gas at the crowd on the soccer field, I then just wanted to get home. What happened later is that the police came to arrest us. They had Casspirs vehicles there and we were loaded one on top of the ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, the first time I heard mention of a problem was on the journey back, it was a discussion between Mr de Kock and Brig Schoon and Mr de Kock said words to the effect that why is it necessary for us to always have to sort out other people's problems. Brig Schoon's reply to that ... The Committee is of the opinion that a decision regarding this incident should be postponed until evidence in other applications relating to the same incident has been heard. The applicant mentioned the names of Messrs. Eugene de Kock, Chappies Klopper, Willie Nortje, Sarel Jansen van Rensburg, ... MR BAKER: Mr Chairman, we'd all been drinking and I didn't feel that the canteen was the place ...(indistinct) the time to question people. |
