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people's warExplanation Showing 621 to 640 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 28 •29 •30 •31 •32 •33 •34 •35 •36 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: ... (microphone not on) ... taking a look at the papers before us, on what basis was it that Mr Dube was included in this hearing? I mean if people are sitting in Cape Town now, and they are setting down the hearings, how would it, how would they in Cape Town have linked Mr Dube's ... After he was discharged from hospital, he was working for Mita, but he was having fits. Then when I asked him what had actually happened, he said they saw a group of people as they were patrolling, and these people were toyi- toying and they just heard gunshots and one fell and the others jumped ... The applicant did not know who the people were in the kitchen when he threw the grenade. We accept his evidence that he, at the time he threw the grenade, believed that they had come to the house to get him solely because he was a member of MK recently returned from exile. These commanders did not specify their individual names as they are accepting collective responsibility for any act, omission, offence or delict committed by members of the PAC as a result of which people died, others were injured and property was damaged (paragraph 9(b) of the application form, ... MR NIEMAN: When you gave that instruction to him, to as you call it in your statement, to give Scheepers Morudi a fright, did you foresee that during a bomb attack on this house, people in this house could be injured or killed? MR BOSCH: It may be mistaken that he was involved in the incident that would be heard tomorrow or the day after, but I know there were other people. MR JOUBERT : Can you recall whether there were any other people present or not? What transpired at the border fence site was that the Applicants and others who were present there, saw four people passing them carrying bags on the way in to South Africa. They then waited for the guide and whoever else might return to Swaziland. After hearing the vehicle drive away they ... He testified that Congress Mtsweni introduced him to two persons called Mike and James. Mike and James, who were in fact Joe Mamasela and the 2nd Applicant respectively, had asked Congress to introduce them to Mr Mazibuko and John Mlangeni, as they were wanting to establish units to defend the ... CHAIRPERSON: Because it has become obvious during the few days we have been here that there are difficulties in conducting hearings here in Durban where the incident took place, in the North or South Coast and where the people live there. Incidentally who in the Army is deciding that, are they MK people or SADF people? MR KNIGHT: Thank you Mr Chairman. With regard to Mr Mfalapitsa, Mr Chairman, there appears to be a breakdown in communication in obtain his instructions as well as to having him here today. Arrangements were made at the inception of this hearing for him to be present today and there were interim ... From there he couldn't sleep, he had nightmares and blood was flowing all over. Some of them couldn't even walk. Then they said, "Your boy are stubborn, you write in the newspapers that we policemen are killing people". On that newspaper it was written that police were killing people and they ... political meetings, bearing in mind that the incident took place in 1992, long after the unbanning of political parties. All the evidence pointed towards the probability that this was a criminal offence for personal ... The first applicant testified that the present meeting, prior to the incident, during which a decision was taken that licensed weapons would be carried when members of the AWB marched to the meeting, he was in the forefront of the procession together with the second applicant and was arrested ... ... and in the course of the conversation De Kock told Nieuwoudt that he had supplied the weapons for the Duli attempted coup. Nieuwoudt was not aware of this fact. Nieuwoudt said the overthrow should not be seen as a failure at that stage because there were four (4) other people with AK47 ... MR LAX: One other aspect of your application concerns me a great deal and that is you have not told us anything about how you came to part him with his money and his watch. What happened to his money and his watch? You people stole R400 from him and you took his watch and you were convicted of ... I was told that this very notorious policeman of Special Branch in Soweto has been terrorising our people, the school children and so on. Jabu and the other group went into a rigorous training in - after the assessment was made of people who come from that area, who knew the area very well and ... CHAIRPERSON: Before we carry on with that, we're referring to this person, or two people at least, as "beeswagters", is it common cause that they were "beeswagters"? CHAIRPERSON: Yes, as implicated people, but not applicants? Have you got your notices? |
