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people's warExplanation Showing 721 to 740 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 33 •34 •35 •36 •37 •38 •39 •40 •41 Next Page•Last PageJUDGE DE JAGER: We could declare him a victim if the offence or delict was associated with a political objective. Can you people assure us of that supposition? At one stage during the early evening a delegation was sent to secure the attendance of Brigadier Gqozo at the meeting. According to the Applicants their intention was effectively to also hold Brigadier Gqozo once he arrived at the meeting and to compel him to step down as ruler. ... The applicant and his colleague ran away and were being shot at. They left behind the pamphlets and a motor cycle. A while later, he returned to Road 8 in order to recover the pamphlets and the motorcycle. On his way there he met Xolani Muntu Mkhize and Robert Mngadi. They accompanied him to ... In all the cases of the robbery the targets were private individuals. They were not political targets. It is highly unlikely that a trained MK operative would attack innocent people and rob them to pursue a political objective. Also in Section 20(3)(f), one must look at the directness and ... CHAIRPERSON: Certain problems have arisen in that it appears that the bundle of papers were only made available to all the parties including the Members of the Committee, last week. In the application papers the applicant makes out the case that what was done was done on behalf of the ANC and it ... MS MAYA: You say that in 1960, June, after people had been shot at Ngquza he was taken by the police, beaten up and detained. Is that so? The applicant further applies for amnesty in respect of assault on a number of people, during interrogations. He took an active part in some of the assaults by pinning the victim to the ground while he was being hit and in other cases he was a bystander who associated him with the assaults. He ... Perhaps some people who are listening to you probably think it is a fairy tale that you are telling. But those who know the gravity of the struggle for liberation in this country, are aware that women suffered a lot in this country in the fight for liberation. CHAIRPERSON: We welcome you and I will ask you to give your testimony freely. So that all the people inside this hall can hear you very well. I will ask one of the Commissioners to help you with the oath. MR BAKER: I had my service pistol with me, I also had my identity card with me, my police identity card, that was my part of the operation, was to move on the perimeter and try and keep people out of the target area. I had my identity card with me to use in case I should see people and just ... CHAIRPERSON: I think we indicated 9 o'clock didn't we, to the other people. We'll adjourn till 9 o'clock tomorrow morning. ... hearing Olifant gave evidence that one Ledwaba had infiltrated the ANC. He was then given weapons and targets to attack. Ledwaba reported to Warrant Officer Willem Coetzee and it was decided to assist Ledwaba, protecting his cover and securing his credibility, by causing explosions at ... As a result of the precarious financial position, the matter was discussed with the chief of MK and it was decided that alternative means, including robbery, in order to obtain the required finance, should be employed. The proviso was that there should be no loss of life and the target should be ... The applicants seek amnesty in respect of the robbery of a shop, the Pep Store in Bothabelo on the 17th of February 1992. It is clear from the information placed before us that although one of the persons were armed, no violence was used against the people in the store and they requested money, ... MS LOCKHAT: Chairperson, just for the sake of people, for those matters that are set down for next week, for the sake of Mr Jan Wagener who's involved in some of those applications, I just want to place on record that according to our schedule for next week, that all those matters will be postponed ... MR MABOTE: I made it clear in my application that I left them in the township, I left them with Comrade Sam and Comrade Lucky. Thereafter they took them to the stadium where all members of self defence unit handed over all their firearms. I was present at the stadium when they were handed over, ... You have said it all, the political motive, it is there, it is not strong enough. If it is there, it has not surfaced sufficiently for any of the people who listened to the applicant giving his evidence, to see. ... intense dislike of the 1st Applicant, also canvassed at the trial. If a reason has to be found for this disposition of the 2nd Applicant towards the 1st Applicant it is probably to be found in the mere fact of his being one of the group of Generals who the 2nd Applicant, as he had ... MR VISSER: Chairperson, I would have liked to say yes, but unfortunately we now have to lead a witness from Soweto before I could ask the other short witnesses to agree with him. First of all, could the people from the Western Transvaal be excused, Chairperson? Thank you, Chairperson. MR VISSER: And did you according to information which you had, it was in the interest and the maintenance of the State dispensation and people's lives and government property and did you associate yourself with this conduct and you say that in paragraph 6? |
