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people's warExplanation Showing 801 to 820 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 37 •38 •39 •40 •41 •42 •43 •44 •45 Next Page•Last PageThe applicant's version before us is that he never entered the house in question. He says all the shots were fired from outside as he continuously moved from one spot to another,such as from door to window, shooting blindly. He says he never specifically aimed at any of the victims. That each ... CHAIRPERSON: But definitely it can't be the same, I mean a discussion or an arrangement being made to abduct Mr Mahlangu and the one to abduct Miss Mahlangu, that cannot be the same. To me they are completely different. These are individuals with different political backgrounds from the evidence ... It is common cause that there was an ongoing political battle between the IFP hostel dwellers and the members of the Toaster Gang on one side and the ANC people living in Tembisa on the other. Consequently the ANC formed Self Defence Units to protect their supporters as well as the residents. ... CHAIRPERSON: Good morning everybody. I apologise for the slightly late start, but I am informed that the traffic on certain roads is very heavy and that caused a delay, getting certain people to the hearing. Any inconvenience is regretted. Yesterday I introduced the panel, we are starting some ... The applicant testified that as Chief of Staff his duty was to give orders to the operatives to infiltrate the Republic of South Africa and recruit sympathetic members of the community to join MK. These people were then trained by Mapnya and Toka and participated in military activities in ... At the time in question political violence was rife in the Mpumalanga area. The violence, which involved supporters of the IFP on the one side and supporters of the ANC on the other, was on-going and resulted in many people being killed and injured and much property being destroyed. The next problem was what were they going to do with the body. They dowsed it with petrol and set the corpse alight. They did not want it to be known that they had committed a crime. They went back to the place where Mamasela was being held by other comrades. They decided that they were not ... For present purposes, the only relevant category of person is that referred to in paragraph (a) of section 20(2), namely "any member or supporter of a publicly known political organisation". The Applicant would fall into this category only for the purposes of section 20(2)(f). The section ... In compliance with Prinsloo's orders they on a particular day, left in a Peugeot 404 Station Wagon. On arrival Moses Morudi was not present and the elderly people they found in the house informed them that he had gone out and would be back shortly. MR VISSER: Yes. Yes, while we're on that point, Mr Chairman, Ms Thabethe has an impossible task, it seems, to bring matters forward. Perhaps the problem here is in the whole attempt to place matters for certain dates. It would seem and the present hearings do seem to be the best example of that, ... MS VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Mr Chairperson, the whereabouts of certain witnesses who might be able to assist the Committee to come to a final decision in this matter, became known to me last night, it was actually confirmed that there are still people who is residing in the Jabulani hostel. I was also ... CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I wanted to make everybody aware who is here, our life-span is really limited and it is our view and the considered view that we cannot allow postponements. Like we are here, we've got to finish everything here in Bloemfontein. We won't come back and should there be a matter ... Thank you chairperson - perhaps just before I ask the witness to take the oath, the translation devices that we’ve got, enables people to listen in to the testimony in the language to which you can follow. Now on the black box section of the translation device there are two wheels, the one wheel ... ... that had been administered and people were dispersing and running away. There were caspers, there were police vehicles and they were driving towards us as parents and we also ran because they were chasing ... All four offences were committed in the process of a planned attack on the said police station. The applicants were all trained members of Umkhonto weSizwe (MK) the military wing of the African National Congress (ANC). They were trained in combat and arms in the Soviet Union and Angola. At the ... Applicants have testified that they knew that it was not ANC policy to carry out acts of robbery. They say that because they found themselves in a life and death situation they had not choice but to devise plans to protect their people. They also say that they were not acting out of malice or ... The operation was not carried out in accordance with the original plan because whilst the Applicants were strategically placing explosive cables around the out building structure Y, which was known to accommodate the alleged infiltrators, one of the ANC activists came out and noted the ... CHAIRPERSON: Thank you. Well then in the circumstances, we will then have to adjourn this matter to a date to be arranged. We will now be proceeding still with these hearings on Monday in Pretoria, in respect of the so-called Zero-Zero hearings, so I'll be seeing some people in Pretoria on ... CHAIRPERSON: Yes Mr Webster, we'll be here at 9.30 tomorrow morning and there are people who are coming specifically for the matter that is set down tomorrow. Mr Pravine Gordon and Mr Lala? MR SANDI: Even though you did not warn me that I am going to be thanking these people, therefore what I will |
