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people's warExplanation Showing 821 to 840 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 38 •39 •40 •41 •42 •43 •44 •45 •46 Next Page•Last PageThe applicant says at no stage of their discussions did they ever refer to the Azanian People's Liberation Army ("APLA") and its activities. It further did not appear that Makara was a member of APLA or that he had an association of some sort with the said military wing of the PAC. Makara told ... Applicant testified about his incident as a witness at the amnesty application into what has become known as the Cradock 4 incident. His testimony basically coincided with the contents of his written amnesty application dealing with this incident. The relevant circumstances were that ... MR MORRISON: I was arrested. When I was arrested, the people who were behind would continue the struggle. MRS NDEBELE: After I received the telegram people came from the ANC at Shell House. They said to me that Lucky has passed away. Then they said they will come to visit me, but up till now no one has shown up at my place. MR KHUMALO: I apologise to the people who lost their lives because of the political situation because what happened and what we did was because of the system of apartheid, not because we were there for personal gain. This happened to them because they were members of the IFP, an organisation that ... I must stress that we are not making a finding that all the latter three people are entitled to have their amnesty applications heard. What we are doing is endeavouring to make arrangements or to ensure that arrangements are made that at the adjourned hearing, the Committee which hears the ... CHAIRPERSON: Good morning everybody. Today we are going to hear the applications for amnesty of the following people, T Mutle, P Mfusa, N F Ranoto, Nkuna and S P Blose. CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I wanted to make everybody aware who is here, our life-span is really limited and it is our view and the considered view that we cannot allow postponements. Like we are here, we've got to finish everything here in Bloemfontein. We won't come back and should there be a matter ... Thank you chairperson - perhaps just before I ask the witness to take the oath, the translation devices that we’ve got, enables people to listen in to the testimony in the language to which you can follow. Now on the black box section of the translation device there are two wheels, the one wheel ... CHAIRPERSON: The other people who gave evidence, referred to the Jubilee Hotel, saying that they were called there, were you also called? MR GREYLING: During the arrest of Siphiwe Nyanda I was present. There were not enough people in the office and they were looking for persons to assist with the arrest. Ras informed them that Brigadier Stemmet had told him that he had information that a policeman in Hammanskraal was an ANC agent and that he was to be eliminated as he visited and was relaying information to the ANC in Zimbabwe that had in the past already led to the killing of some people there. ... MR KOOPEDI: The only sad part Chair is that Judge Motata's comments were not recorded as his mike was off and I believe it is important for us to note that it is indeed the Vanderbijl Square and not Vanderbijlpark which is a town in the Vaal. I would then say, Chairperson, that is the application ... MR DU PREEZ SMIT: Well we did find out that there was a vehicle that exploded there, that people were killed. I do not know how many and I do not know how many were injured, and that the hospital itself was damaged by this explosion. really was the bigger picture. Now you give evidence about the Mbokoto people taking you away on your own, torturing you, giving you a tough time, beating you up. You were a leader, you were chairman of the UDF branch there at Kwagga. We had a number of other witnesses today who talked about the ... MS VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Mr Chairperson, the whereabouts of certain witnesses who might be able to assist the Committee to come to a final decision in this matter, became known to me last night, it was actually confirmed that there are still people who is residing in the Jabulani hostel. I was also ... MR VISSER: Yes. Yes, while we're on that point, Mr Chairman, Ms Thabethe has an impossible task, it seems, to bring matters forward. Perhaps the problem here is in the whole attempt to place matters for certain dates. It would seem and the present hearings do seem to be the best example of that, ... Applicants have testified that they knew that it was not ANC policy to carry out acts of robbery. They say that because they found themselves in a life and death situation they had not choice but to devise plans to protect their people. They also say that they were not acting out of malice or ... The applicant stated that he murdered the deceased because he received an instruction from the leader of the Orde van die Dood to kill a person. This would prove that he had the ability to kill and that he would therefore be an effective member of the Orde. The killing of the deceased was done as ... "I was amongst the people who chased the deceased, Mr Moeng, from his house and poured petrol on him and set him alight although I could not get a chance to assault and burn him personally due to many people in front of me. However, I had the common purpose of killing the deceased ... |
