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people's warExplanation Showing 841 to 860 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 39 •40 •41 •42 •43 •44 •45 •46 •47 Next Page•Last Page You have said it all, the political motive, it is there, it is not strong enough. If it is there, it has not surfaced sufficiently for any of the people who listened to the applicant giving his evidence, to see. CHAIRPERSON: We welcome you and I will ask you to give your testimony freely. So that all the people inside this hall can hear you very well. I will ask one of the Commissioners to help you with the oath. MR BAKER: I had my service pistol with me, I also had my identity card with me, my police identity card, that was my part of the operation, was to move on the perimeter and try and keep people out of the target area. I had my identity card with me to use in case I should see people and just ... MR MABOTE: I made it clear in my application that I left them in the township, I left them with Comrade Sam and Comrade Lucky. Thereafter they took them to the stadium where all members of self defence unit handed over all their firearms. I was present at the stadium when they were handed over, ... A highlight of the violence was an attack launched on 12 May 1991 by hostel dwellers from Kagiso on the residents of Swanieville. The assistance of Applicant and other residents of Kagiso was enlisted to help the residents of Swanieville to repel the attack. Applicant witnessed the loss of life ... One cannot believe that things like this could have happened in our country, that people's lives were so cheap. One just could take a gun and shoot another person like an animal or in this case, one doesn't know whether it was poison or what had happened. But we just want to say, because we also ... MS VAN DER WESTHUIZEN: Mr Chairperson, the whereabouts of certain witnesses who might be able to assist the Committee to come to a final decision in this matter, became known to me last night, it was actually confirmed that there are still people who is residing in the Jabulani hostel. I was also ... MR VISSER: Yes. Yes, while we're on that point, Mr Chairman, Ms Thabethe has an impossible task, it seems, to bring matters forward. Perhaps the problem here is in the whole attempt to place matters for certain dates. It would seem and the present hearings do seem to be the best example of that, ... The next problem was what were they going to do with the body. They dowsed it with petrol and set the corpse alight. They did not want it to be known that they had committed a crime. They went back to the place where Mamasela was being held by other comrades. They decided that they were not ... CHAIRPERSON: The other people who gave evidence, referred to the Jubilee Hotel, saying that they were called there, were you also called? Thank you chairperson - perhaps just before I ask the witness to take the oath, the translation devices that we’ve got, enables people to listen in to the testimony in the language to which you can follow. Now on the black box section of the translation device there are two wheels, the one wheel ... Ras informed them that Brigadier Stemmet had told him that he had information that a policeman in Hammanskraal was an ANC agent and that he was to be eliminated as he visited and was relaying information to the ANC in Zimbabwe that had in the past already led to the killing of some people there. ... MR GREYLING: During the arrest of Siphiwe Nyanda I was present. There were not enough people in the office and they were looking for persons to assist with the arrest. CHAIRPERSON: Yes, I wanted to make everybody aware who is here, our life-span is really limited and it is our view and the considered view that we cannot allow postponements. Like we are here, we've got to finish everything here in Bloemfontein. We won't come back and should there be a matter ... For present purposes, the only relevant category of person is that referred to in paragraph (a) of section 20(2), namely "any member or supporter of a publicly known political organisation". The Applicant would fall into this category only for the purposes of section 20(2)(f). The section ... In compliance with Prinsloo's orders they on a particular day, left in a Peugeot 404 Station Wagon. On arrival Moses Morudi was not present and the elderly people they found in the house informed them that he had gone out and would be back shortly. I must stress that we are not making a finding that all the latter three people are entitled to have their amnesty applications heard. What we are doing is endeavouring to make arrangements or to ensure that arrangements are made that at the adjourned hearing, the Committee which hears the ... MR SANDI: Even though you did not warn me that I am going to be thanking these people, therefore what I will ... that had been administered and people were dispersing and running away. There were caspers, there were police vehicles and they were driving towards us as parents and we also ran because they were chasing ... CHAIRPERSON: Good morning everybody. Today we are going to hear the applications for amnesty of the following people, T Mutle, P Mfusa, N F Ranoto, Nkuna and S P Blose. |
