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people's warExplanation Showing 921 to 940 of 1003 First Page•Previous Page 43 •44 •45 •46 •47 •48 •49 •50 •51 Next Page•Last PageCHAIRPERSON: This has not been a hearing where there's been a great deal of conflicting evidence where one has to weigh up the evidence. There have been differences between various people as to who was at what meeting, who did precisely what but the picture of what happened is reasonably clear, ... CHAIRPERSON: ...(inaudible). There are other matters involved in Mr Thusi's application, which do not involve the present parties and which I have not commented on, but I would urge that the papers are gone through carefully and if there are any other persons who should be notified or informed of ... MR VABAZA: The third applicant, Mr Chairperson and members, is Mabitana Mani. He is also amongst the five group of people. Khosa and Nkoana were used on the day in question as interpreters between the other three and the deceased and as messengers when cooldrinks or other refreshments or food was required. The five of them took the deceased from the office to a place in the vicinity of Cleveland. When they arrived ... In the evening of the day in question, both the applicant and Jack proceeded to the intended target where they threw a number of petrol-bombs. The operation was a blunder, in that a wrong target was hit, and that was the house belonging to Elizabeth Makwana. Although there were people inside, no ... MR BAKER: I had my service pistol with me, I also had my identity card with me, my police identity card, that was my part of the operation, was to move on the perimeter and try and keep people out of the target area. I had my identity card with me to use in case I should see people and just ... MR MABOTE: I made it clear in my application that I left them in the township, I left them with Comrade Sam and Comrade Lucky. Thereafter they took them to the stadium where all members of self defence unit handed over all their firearms. I was present at the stadium when they were handed over, ... You have said it all, the political motive, it is there, it is not strong enough. If it is there, it has not surfaced sufficiently for any of the people who listened to the applicant giving his evidence, to see. CHAIRPERSON: We welcome you and I will ask you to give your testimony freely. So that all the people inside this hall can hear you very well. I will ask one of the Commissioners to help you with the oath. Perhaps some people who are listening to you probably think it is a fairy tale that you are telling. But those who know the gravity of the struggle for liberation in this country, are aware that women suffered a lot in this country in the fight for liberation. The above statements can neither be corroborated nor disapproved since Hani is no longer alive. Although the applicant's evidence in this regard was not satisfactory in all respect, it cannot be rejected as untrue. After all Mr Hani's decision would have been influenced by the information ... When further questioned about what the deceased was doing at the time he was thrice shot; "I shot the deceased three times (after) he slapped me and I got frightened because I could see he had a gun on him and I saw on many times what a gun can do to people, especially when it was in the hands of ... CHAIRPERSON: I think we indicated 9 o'clock didn't we, to the other people. We'll adjourn till 9 o'clock tomorrow morning. MR GOUWS: Yes, that's correct, he offered some training to these people and he was also given an AK47. ... of the community generally supported the ANC. The Applicant claims that at the relevant time he and his companions were members of the ANC and towards the end of October the ANC leadership relocated ANC supporters to Polla Park Squatter Camp in Thokoza. Polla Park was also engulfed in ... MR VISSER: Chairperson, I would have liked to say yes, but unfortunately we now have to lead a witness from Soweto before I could ask the other short witnesses to agree with him. First of all, could the people from the Western Transvaal be excused, Chairperson? Thank you, Chairperson. Because when he just came and collected him, collected her and he didn't tell where he was taking her to. And even after the death, he didn't come to report to us. We just heard that from other people. I am just wondering if you could just, to me and to everybody else, give us a picture of what was actualy happening on that campus, on that day. Was it that the police just came on and started attacking people without any provocation, or was there something else going that made the police came on ... ... hearing Olifant gave evidence that one Ledwaba had infiltrated the ANC. He was then given weapons and targets to attack. Ledwaba reported to Warrant Officer Willem Coetzee and it was decided to assist Ledwaba, protecting his cover and securing his credibility, by causing explosions at ... MS LOCKHAT: Chairperson, just for the sake of people, for those matters that are set down for next week, for the sake of Mr Jan Wagener who's involved in some of those applications, I just want to place on record that according to our schedule for next week, that all those matters will be postponed ... |
