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people's warExplanation We actually are talking about creating something that never was in this country. // Conciliation as far as I’m concerned will mean that you have to take away the anger and the animosity in people and make them understand the need to stay and work together. Let’s get some comment in Johannesburg. // Max, I’d rather focus on where the Truth Commission has succeeded. To me, as a viewer. // OK, let’s talk about that. // I think that a lot of people in the case of Steve Biko’s killing wanted this not to be part of the TRC process. Their argument ... I didn’t think I would be very surprised by what I heard. I think all of us on the Commission have, in fact I think the whole country has learnt much more about what happened. Prepared in other ways I think I was very reluctant to accept nomination for the Commission. I didn’t want to do this ... How many people did Winnie kill? Has she ever been in jail for those murders? No. // If anyone gets into the bad books of Winnie she can resort to any solution of her choice. // ‘Roar young lions roar!’ // Now I can say Mrs. Mandela is a murderer and a killer of the nation. She’s no longer ... It began in November 1978, a warm summer’s day that began like any other for Susan and Jaap van der Merwe on their farm Swartklip at Thabazimbi near the Botswana border. Susan left for a teaching job and Jaap went to a nearby farm to shoot a buck. He left a note saying he might be late, but he ... ... security forces that I have spoken to say, there’s a carrot but they don’t believe the stick. They don’t believe that if they don’t come forward that they will ever be caught. Is that a problem for the Truth Commission; that the investigators are not efficient enough or there are not a ... It’s been incredible. There are two impressions, one, how could we ever be so ghastly, the depth of depravity takes your breath away. That’s the one side. The other side is almost exhilarating, that people who have suffered as much as these should have this capacity to forgive, this magnanimity ... During the marathon three year court case which more than 3000 people brought against the police they denied complicity with the witdoeke and eventually no one was found guilty for the deaths and destruction. But this week the Truth Commission heard this man, Ulrich Schellhase admit the links. ... ... I was arrested at the airport in Cape Town and was held overnight in a dark, filthy cell in Roeland street prison. The next day I was taken to Swartskop Aerodrome in Pretoria in a light military aircraft. I was driven to Pretoria Central Prison and stripped naked and searched. // I was ... There were shots and people were crying. As I was running a white person said ‘Zulu, capture him, there he is’ and I went straight into the passage. When I got into the passage they couldn’t see me anymore and I heard a loud bang of a gun behind me, seven times. I ran just alongside the ... ... whole armed struggle was the continuation of that. And actually we can draw the ancient wisdom from our forefathers when Dingaan said to the Zulu warriors ‘Bulala abathakathi.’ What did he mean? He meant that those dispossessors, abathakathi, the Zulu warriors didn’t ask among themselves ... As advocate Bizos clearly said today, we knew that when you get taken by these people they can get anything out of you, because if they don’t get it from you voluntarily they’ll smash you up to get it and that is what they have done with all of us and that is what our, of course presumption is ... In October 1985 the world got to see an amazing piece of television footage shot in South Africa. A number of policemen hid in boxes on an open truck and provoked angry young people to throw stones at them. Like in a violent movie the world watched the policemen jump up and mow down the stone ... Tell me about the Aliwal North exhumations, do you have strong evidence besides forensics evidence about whether those were members of a MK unit. // Well, the evidence seems to be sufficient. I wouldn’t say it is conclusive, but it seems to be sufficient, because one, it is a consequence of ... ... hear evidence on the reign of terror of the Toasters gang. You may have seen that the Special Rreport team was given the foreign correspondence award for outstanding journalism. Tonight we want to dedicate this award to all the people who have appeared before the Truth Commission, the people ... Under the heading ‘special projects’ support for anti-Marxist liberation movements, Mortimer talked about SADF support for UNITA in Angola, RENAMO in Mozambique and the Lesotho Liberation Army. And then he dropped in this insignificant little paragraph. // Inkatha. In 1985 chief minister ... ... with the Imbali support group. // We were sitting in the house, the Gabela house, that has experienced unspeakable terror, even from ’86 onwards because Sipho her son was a UDF member and a spokesperson for the youth. In ’89 Sipho was so severely injured by white policemen and Mama ... Poverty, repression and police brutality in the 1980s. The townships on the East Rand were seething. Six COSAS leaders died in July in 1985 after being lured into launching an attack with hand grenades, booby trapped by Vlakplaas policeman Joe Mamasela. At one of their funerals Maki Skosana was ... We’ve heard a lot of evidence about how you people went into houses and you saw some person there you didn’t know so you killed them. // [We heard such evidence] // So wasn’t it important to find out who was in a house? How many people were there? Whether there were innocent people there or ... The more and more he began to implement what happened, the more and more he became also a prisoner of a system which eventually destroyed not only the Afrikaner people but also destroyed the humanity of the lives of many such people. |
