self-defence units (SDUs)

CHAIRPERSON: And what department - was he from the Riot Squad units, was he from ...(intervention)

"We should aim to create ANC units, both within the established churches and independent churches and other religious bodies"

CHAIRPERSON: Did you belong to any other SDU units other than this one consisting of you and the other applicants in this matter?

in his absence Dube gave them.  Evidence was led that Dumakude, as the Commander of Special Operations, commanded a number of other underground  units and the Applicants' unit was only one amongst them.  he had to do a wide variety of tasks and was in and out of the country.  It is also ...

MR JANSEN: I would like to put it to you that the operational requirements of an operation like this, the fact that different Units would be involved, that this instruction did or that the probabilities would be coordinated at a very high level. Have you got any comment on this?

The two units now, had to have different Commanders. On the other unit in which I was in, it was ...(indistinct), he was the Commander.

MR MADIKIZELA: I'm instructed by Col Fetman that he also visited the scene as a senior officer who was not commanding any of the units that were there. What do you say to that?

... agents, informers and handlers. He was not and I think that is common cause, it is common cause in fact, part of any of the known assassination units, such as Vlakplaas, does not claim to have been a member of such a unit, nor to have ever previously committed or being instructed to commit ...

MR BUTHELEZI: What I'm trying to explain is that we would have not suffered casualties in my units. When he came with the police they stated it clearly that they were there in connection with the death of that policeman. He was with the police when they came in connection with that matter.

MR STEYN: Mr Chairperson, Mr Botha among others informed me that during the drive to the farm, Ndwandwe admitted that some of her units had been responsible for the death of Lieutenant Radjo and that Warrant Officer Zukela had also died as a result of the actions.

MS P BERLIN:: No, I asked you a question. Did you change commander every month, or did you change units every month?

ADV POTGIETER: And you said they had nothing to do with any operations, they were just basically training, establishing units?

Transvaal. I was known as Unit B. Unit B was the unit in the Security Branch that specifically dealt with the Black Forces. There were also other units. The Commander of the Security Branch of the section in the Northern Province, or Northern Transvaal, was Brig Jack Cronje, who was later ...

... is independent of the police and if I may put it plainly, enjoys a reputation for greater probity and impartiality than the ordinary investigation units of the ...

MR JANSEN: And the victims of this first incident were only known to yourself, or their personal identities were not known to you, they were known to you as persons who were part of the ANC and of certain operational units of the ANC?

CHAIRPERSON: But seeing that it started in - if we accept the evidence that the kick-off of these operations was that meeting with Brig Viktor, that is according to the applicant Viktor it was after February, or during February '86, when he was deployed to the units in Mamelodi.

Can you tell the Committee what indications there were that torture would be condoned or they would be protected - your members, your - members of your various units and people under you or above you?

MR ERASMUS: And more specifically in the special ops or spes ops units which had several European members which is now well known.

MR ROSSLEE: I said from my previous experience with the units, working in different areas, I know that there were reports given back to Major De Kock on our activities, Mr Chairman.

MR ROSSOUW: Do you know if there were any standing orders concerning co-operation between different units within the Security Branch?