self-defence units (SDUs)

MR MALAN: You said he will not, you did not say not easily, he would not. Now tell me, what is the division of the work, how can all the units be involved in interrogation, elimination, follow-up operations, but they never ask whether he is brown or black or pink? Then if something, intelligence, ...

CHAIRPERSON: Did you belong to any other SDU units other than this one consisting of you and the other applicants in this matter?

MR ROSSOUW: Do you know if there were any standing orders concerning co-operation between different units within the Security Branch?

... you perhaps before you deal with the facts themselves, inform the Committee and confirm what the method was that Vlakplaas used to work with other ...

MS P BERLIN:: No, I asked you a question. Did you change commander every month, or did you change units every month?

MR BUTHELEZI: What I'm trying to explain is that we would have not suffered casualties in my units. When he came with the police they stated it clearly that they were there in connection with the death of that policeman. He was with the police when they came in connection with that matter.

... agents, informers and handlers. He was not and I think that is common cause, it is common cause in fact, part of any of the known assassination units, such as Vlakplaas, does not claim to have been a member of such a unit, nor to have ever previously committed or being instructed to commit ...

MR TSOMELA: No Chairperson I cannot, as I'm saying that sporadic incident happens and the branch commanders of the different units or components lead their duties according to the available crime intelligency.

MR MHLABA: And what was the chain of command, were you supposed to report back to your commander or anyone of the units could go and talk to your commander?

ADV POTGIETER: And you said they had nothing to do with any operations, they were just basically training, establishing units?

MR STEYN: Mr Chairperson, Mr Botha among others informed me that during the drive to the farm, Ndwandwe admitted that some of her units had been responsible for the death of Lieutenant Radjo and that Warrant Officer Zukela had also died as a result of the actions.

MR MADIKIZELA: I'm instructed by Col Fetman that he also visited the scene as a senior officer who was not commanding any of the units that were there. What do you say to that?

BRIG SCHOON: No, Chairperson, there were special units who were responsible for that, the spreading of disinformation and propaganda.

... to visit with the witness, as through the passage of time, he is unfortunately unable to recall precisely the dates when he was with certain units and when the transfers took place. Maybe you could just clarify that for the members of the ...

Most of the remaining witnesses were members of the various riot units of both the South African Police and the South African Railway Police. These were the police that were charged with protecting KTC in terms of the interdict and also preventing at attack on the ground.

... We had the information at our disposal and it was difficult at that stage to discuss it widely with other instances, with other intelligence units. On the one hand because we were not sure of the seriousness of this matter and on the other hand, the possibility of who in our office would ...

... was all out and Mbulelo came from that background. Mbulelo himself had escaped. That was not his first escape. Whilst he was working with other units in the country, I learned that he had escaped from another operation and he was the only man trapped or encircled, but he managed to escape and ...

CHAIRPERSON: But seeing that it started in - if we accept the evidence that the kick-off of these operations was that meeting with Brig Viktor, that is according to the applicant Viktor it was after February, or during February '86, when he was deployed to the units in Mamelodi.

MR JANSEN: And the victims of this first incident were only known to yourself, or their personal identities were not known to you, they were known to you as persons who were part of the ANC and of certain operational units of the ANC?

MR DU PLESSIS: Some of the aspects mentioned here this morning by Commissioner Malan regarding units A, B and C, the functioning of the security branch, the filing system, the informers and how they operated, that was covered in that evidence?