self-defence units (SDUs)

MR MALAN: You said he will not, you did not say not easily, he would not. Now tell me, what is the division of the work, how can all the units be involved in interrogation, elimination, follow-up operations, but they never ask whether he is brown or black or pink? Then if something, intelligence, ...

... there were two limpet mines that exploded at OK Bazaar. In fact Bafunuku was only having one limpet mine. That means there was a coincidence of units, that they entered the same shop at the same ...

MR LYSTER: All right, Mr Shabangu, you said that you - you just gave us a brief account of the different units in which you served - the Murder & Robbery. --- That's correct.

... We had the information at our disposal and it was difficult at that stage to discuss it widely with other instances, with other intelligence units. On the one hand because we were not sure of the seriousness of this matter and on the other hand, the possibility of who in our office would ...

MR MSIBI: I'm not aware of that. Maybe to clarify some matters because it might leave another impression on this Committee is that my units, under no circumstances were they involved in any criminal activity because I would regard that as a criminal activity. Thank you.

... a lot of issues. Perhaps it was also in our discussion, but I cannot say for sure, because we were not talking about the specific targets that the units were supposed to attack. It could have been possible that he did talk to me about his target that he was about to attack, but I never ...

The Applicants testified that they were both commanders of two separate units. The attack on the abovementioned houses were planned by the First Applicant on the instructions of Apla but he had the authority to identify the specific targets.

have helped the mere disappearance of a person, how would it have helped to reduce the incidents of bombing because there were other people in other units who would have remained continuing to do what Mr Bhila was doing? How would his disappearance have helped to lower the spate of bombings that ...

... on this, was interested in certain incidents of atrocities such as the disappearance of two businessmen in Mamelodi, the role of murder of robbery units, Constable Brian Makalunga, the PEBCO 3, Goniwe, Shell House, Piet Retief incident and I can list many ...

... because Congress was close to me and Congress had to come straight to me. In 1985 there was a directive from the ANC in exile that certain units from the Umkhonto we Sizwe would not be trained outside the country, but they would be trained inside the country and so we realised that we ...

CHAIRPERSON: Are you talking about the units?

2A conflicts; people well conversant and those who were left out of the other units were put into contra-mobilisation. Among those who were in the contra-mobilisation, there were those who did qualify to other categories. However, because their background was very good with regards to a ...

Units there reported that they had spotted them there and they went over and picked them up and instructions that were given to them was that they should apprehend them and bring them down to Gaberone, where our operational Headquarters was. This was subsequently done and on arrival in Gaberone, I ...

MR DE KOCK: Chairperson, by nature of my service it was not a question of being indispensable or not, people could do with you what they wanted, they could get rid of you if they wanted, if they wanted to disband units they could do that.

MR WILLIAMS: Maybe I should ask that to Mr van Zyl. Then I also want to ask you Sir, if one of the units had to for example burn down a premises did they have to seek your authority for that?

... to visit with the witness, as through the passage of time, he is unfortunately unable to recall precisely the dates when he was with certain units and when the transfers took place. Maybe you could just clarify that for the members of the ...

"... a group of black males entered into the shack and one of the group stabbed me with a spear, while others were breaking my kitchen units and chairs."

my full cooperation at all times. Regarding any investigation, not specifically referring to Mr Knipe specifically because he was involved in other units, but I did cooperate closely with the detective ...

... is independent of the police and if I may put it plainly, enjoys a reputation for greater probity and impartiality than the ordinary investigation units of the ...

CHAIRPERSON: But seeing that it started in - if we accept the evidence that the kick-off of these operations was that meeting with Brig Viktor, that is according to the applicant Viktor it was after February, or during February '86, when he was deployed to the units in Mamelodi.