self-defence units (SDUs)

MR ROSSOUW: Do you know if there were any standing orders concerning co-operation between different units within the Security Branch?

CHAIRPERSON: And what department - was he from the Riot Squad units, was he from ...(intervention)

... at that stage General Engelbrecht was devolved to the Detective Branch at Police Head Office and he was the Chief of the Murder and Robbery Units in the country, but he was devolved to the Security Branch or to Security Head Office for purposes of this ...

MR MSIBI: I'm not aware of that. Maybe to clarify some matters because it might leave another impression on this Committee is that my units, under no circumstances were they involved in any criminal activity because I would regard that as a criminal activity. Thank you.

... there were two limpet mines that exploded at OK Bazaar. In fact Bafunuku was only having one limpet mine. That means there was a coincidence of units, that they entered the same shop at the same ...

MR ZAKWE: The firearms that were there after being collected from the other Units, we took them because they were not doing what they were supposed to do, we took them to the ANC Youth League and the others were given to the MK members in the area, and after some time, some of them were confiscated ...

ADV POTGIETER: And you said they had nothing to do with any operations, they were just basically training, establishing units?

MR DUKADA: You know the police in parts of South Africa at that time had their own unit or units dealing with terrorism, is that correct?

The Applicants testified that they were both commanders of two separate units. The attack on the abovementioned houses were planned by the First Applicant on the instructions of Apla but he had the authority to identify the specific targets.

MR LYSTER: All right, Mr Shabangu, you said that you - you just gave us a brief account of the different units in which you served - the Murder & Robbery. --- That's correct.

5. The provision of military hardware and material to members of ANC units during the period 1988 to 1990.

... was all out and Mbulelo came from that background. Mbulelo himself had escaped. That was not his first escape. Whilst he was working with other units in the country, I learned that he had escaped from another operation and he was the only man trapped or encircled, but he managed to escape and ...

MR TSOMELA: No Chairperson I cannot, as I'm saying that sporadic incident happens and the branch commanders of the different units or components lead their duties according to the available crime intelligency.

... to visit with the witness, as through the passage of time, he is unfortunately unable to recall precisely the dates when he was with certain units and when the transfers took place. Maybe you could just clarify that for the members of the ...

Units there reported that they had spotted them there and they went over and picked them up and instructions that were given to them was that they should apprehend them and bring them down to Gaberone, where our operational Headquarters was. This was subsequently done and on arrival in Gaberone, I ...

2A conflicts; people well conversant and those who were left out of the other units were put into contra-mobilisation. Among those who were in the contra-mobilisation, there were those who did qualify to other categories. However, because their background was very good with regards to a ...

Can you tell the Committee what indications there were that torture would be condoned or they would be protected - your members, your - members of your various units and people under you or above you?

... they had to go to Hammanskraal so that they had to undergo crash courses to become policemen, because they had to be placed out to, sent to other ...

MR DE KOCK: Chairperson, by nature of my service it was not a question of being indispensable or not, people could do with you what they wanted, they could get rid of you if they wanted, if they wanted to disband units they could do that.

MR WILLIAMS: Maybe I should ask that to Mr van Zyl. Then I also want to ask you Sir, if one of the units had to for example burn down a premises did they have to seek your authority for that?