self-defence units (SDUs)

2A conflicts; people well conversant and those who were left out of the other units were put into contra-mobilisation. Among those who were in the contra-mobilisation, there were those who did qualify to other categories. However, because their background was very good with regards to a ...

Units there reported that they had spotted them there and they went over and picked them up and instructions that were given to them was that they should apprehend them and bring them down to Gaberone, where our operational Headquarters was. This was subsequently done and on arrival in Gaberone, I ...

MR WILLIAMS: Maybe I should ask that to Mr van Zyl. Then I also want to ask you Sir, if one of the units had to for example burn down a premises did they have to seek your authority for that?

... to visit with the witness, as through the passage of time, he is unfortunately unable to recall precisely the dates when he was with certain units and when the transfers took place. Maybe you could just clarify that for the members of the ...

... because Congress was close to me and Congress had to come straight to me. In 1985 there was a directive from the ANC in exile that certain units from the Umkhonto we Sizwe would not be trained outside the country, but they would be trained inside the country and so we realised that we ...

CHAIRPERSON: Are you talking about the units?

MR ROSSLEE: I said from my previous experience with the units, working in different areas, I know that there were reports given back to Major De Kock on our activities, Mr Chairman.

MR MADIKIZELA: I'm instructed by Col Fetman that he also visited the scene as a senior officer who was not commanding any of the units that were there. What do you say to that?

ADV POTGIETER: And you said they had nothing to do with any operations, they were just basically training, establishing units?

my full cooperation at all times. Regarding any investigation, not specifically referring to Mr Knipe specifically because he was involved in other units, but I did cooperate closely with the detective ...

... front command like Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia and so on, will take that as an overall command and so on, that would cascade into our Operational Units and so on, and in this case as well, the Basil February Unit derived their mandate from ourselves as the Regional Command ...

MR PRINSLOO: Chairperson, it's difficult to say whether - if one searches for a person, then all the units' informers are tasked, so there are several handlers. So it is possible that quite a number of members who had informers were focused on it and would intensively search for him, as well as ...

MS P BERLIN:: No, I asked you a question. Did you change commander every month, or did you change units every month?

MR ROSSOUW: Do you know if there were any standing orders concerning co-operation between different units within the Security Branch?

- Systematic attack against the army and police and so-called de fence units in white areas;

MR ZAKWE: The firearms that were there after being collected from the other Units, we took them because they were not doing what they were supposed to do, we took them to the ANC Youth League and the others were given to the MK members in the area, and after some time, some of them were confiscated ...

2. A concern about the society beyond the TRC process. While a lot of hidden activities have been uncovered by the TRC investigating units, ICT is concerned that virtually all perpetrators of such gross violations are getting off with impunity. To the extent that we are not calling for ...

... a lot of issues. Perhaps it was also in our discussion, but I cannot say for sure, because we were not talking about the specific targets that the units were supposed to attack. It could have been possible that he did talk to me about his target that he was about to attack, but I never ...

CHAIRPERSON: And what department - was he from the Riot Squad units, was he from ...(intervention)

... you perhaps before you deal with the facts themselves, inform the Committee and confirm what the method was that Vlakplaas used to work with other ...