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self-defence units (SDUs)Explanation Showing 361 to 380 of 808 First Page•Previous Page 15 •16 •17 •18 •19 •20 •21 •22 •23 Next Page•Last PageMR JANSEN: And the victims of this first incident were only known to yourself, or their personal identities were not known to you, they were known to you as persons who were part of the ANC and of certain operational units of the ANC? MR ERASMUS: And more specifically in the special ops or spes ops units which had several European members which is now well known. ... is independent of the police and if I may put it plainly, enjoys a reputation for greater probity and impartiality than the ordinary investigation units of the ... MR PRINSLOO: Chairperson, it's difficult to say whether - if one searches for a person, then all the units' informers are tasked, so there are several handlers. So it is possible that quite a number of members who had informers were focused on it and would intensively search for him, as well as ... MR ROSSLEE: I said from my previous experience with the units, working in different areas, I know that there were reports given back to Major De Kock on our activities, Mr Chairman. CHAIRPERSON: But seeing that it started in - if we accept the evidence that the kick-off of these operations was that meeting with Brig Viktor, that is according to the applicant Viktor it was after February, or during February '86, when he was deployed to the units in Mamelodi. ... agents, informers and handlers. He was not and I think that is common cause, it is common cause in fact, part of any of the known assassination units, such as Vlakplaas, does not claim to have been a member of such a unit, nor to have ever previously committed or being instructed to commit ... CHAIRPERSON: Did you belong to any other SDU units other than this one consisting of you and the other applicants in this matter? ... you perhaps before you deal with the facts themselves, inform the Committee and confirm what the method was that Vlakplaas used to work with other ... MR JANSEN: I would like to put it to you that the operational requirements of an operation like this, the fact that different Units would be involved, that this instruction did or that the probabilities would be coordinated at a very high level. Have you got any comment on this? MR MALAN: You said he will not, you did not say not easily, he would not. Now tell me, what is the division of the work, how can all the units be involved in interrogation, elimination, follow-up operations, but they never ask whether he is brown or black or pink? Then if something, intelligence, ... "We should aim to create ANC units, both within the established churches and independent churches and other religious bodies" ... GRANTED to Applicant in respect of all offences and delicts which resulted from the operations conducted in the Republic of South Africa by the MK Units acting under Applicant's command during or about the period commencing in the 1980s until approximately 1990, including all incidents referred ... MR MSIBI: I'm not aware of that. Maybe to clarify some matters because it might leave another impression on this Committee is that my units, under no circumstances were they involved in any criminal activity because I would regard that as a criminal activity. Thank you. ... there were two limpet mines that exploded at OK Bazaar. In fact Bafunuku was only having one limpet mine. That means there was a coincidence of units, that they entered the same shop at the same ... MR MALAN: But that was regular practice of Units A and B, according to what you know? MR BUTHELEZI: What I'm trying to explain is that we would have not suffered casualties in my units. When he came with the police they stated it clearly that they were there in connection with the death of that policeman. He was with the police when they came in connection with that matter. MR STEYN: Mr Chairperson, Mr Botha among others informed me that during the drive to the farm, Ndwandwe admitted that some of her units had been responsible for the death of Lieutenant Radjo and that Warrant Officer Zukela had also died as a result of the actions. MR HALL: No, unfortunately not, it was most probably a terrifying issue because being - the base being a big base and different units were covering within the base and people were just doing what they wished at time periods. "Constable Mooi fed 25 units in the cells with coffee and bread: 25 mugs: no complaints" |